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@ Trogby.
Your reaction is nearly meaningless, because you're not saying what you really mean. I was saying you negate certain Jewish vehicles of opinion as unduly biased about Iran. One was the JTA, the other the Jerusalem Post. Those are your characterizations of them, not mine, fella. Why don't you answer my accusation? What makes them unreliable, in your opinion? What makes your view of Iran "reliable"? Merkel doesn't find Iran so reliable as a partner, although enough German businesses certainly do. What's unreliable about the Jerusalem Post and the JTA, Trogby?

@ Trogby.
Your reaction is nearly meaningless, because you're not saying what you really mean. I was saying you negate certain Jewish vehicles of opinion as unduly biased about Iran. One was the JTA, the other the Jerusalem Post. Those are your characterizations of them, not mine, fella. Why don't you answer my accusation? What makes them unreliable, in your opinion? What makes your view of Iran "reliable"? Merkel doesn't find Iran so reliable as a partner, although enough German businesses certainly do. What's unreliable about the Jerusalem Post and the JTA, Trogby?

Didn't eman to post that twice! My mistake.

@Mir

Tropby is already know for drop-by (notice the wordgame) in this blog with his supposed "facts" and know-it-all attitude. Just read all his entries here and you will notice that they never contain words as "in my opinion","could", "I think" or the like. Tropby just "knows" and what he "knows" is the truth - very simple, isn't it. Typical german argumentation style. Following the old doctrine of "It cannot be what musn't be".

@Grimmy&Texas Blueblood

You guys are quite over the top. If I would be paranoic I might think that you are agent provocateurs.

Now, about what I think of the german-american relationship:
I don't consider germans as friends to america anymore (if they have ever been). I think the US should treat them as other nations like France or Madagascar: Don't expect anything and don't give anything.
Two things I am sure of are that the US doesn't need anything from the germans and that they don't owe anything to the germans.

I don't know why any fair-minded person would EVER want to be considered - horrors- ANTI-IRANIAN. After all, they have a just society- death penalty for homosexuality and for apostasy. Now they are considering making it an even more just society: proposing the death penalty for web logs.

@ svetov:

"He doesn't even hide behind ´Israeli´ or ´Zionist´ but is pretty open about it, it seems. Is this the dreaded and vile neocon conspiracy that Trogby is hinting at?" is more than "I was saying you negate certain Jewish vehicles of opinion as unduly biased about Iran", it is the standard Anti-Semitism attack routine. It is not only a personal attack, but an abuse of the suffering of the Jews for political capital and as such despicable and anti-semitic itself ...

You are also factually incorrect, as I dismissed the JPost due to its connections with the convicted criminal Conrad Black and his low journalistic standards - read my post. My browser has e.g. bookmarked Ha´aretz.

Having doubts about a special interests news agency that quotes an official of said group seems only wise. I suppose You believe any report of an Iranian news agency that is quoting a Mullah ...

Nonetheless, I have addressed said reports ( assuming that they were factually correct for debate´s sake ) with my post about the upcoming prisoner relief made possible by German jaw-jaw, not American war-war. But I suppose the interests of the State of Israel and its citizens are of little importance to professional Bush-fans and Germany-haters ...

"What makes your view of Iran ´reliable´?" I have not offered any opinion on Iran in this thread, but I would base said opinion on having been there twice on business, on knowing a lot of exile Iranians over here and on reliable sources. Certainly not on a Conrad Black ´newspaper´.

Dear Tropby,

you're really a panic! I don't think I'll grace your remarks with an counter-argument. You're obviously VERY left-wing. It's almost funny how you put things. Shall we say with a twist? I am giving up on this type of argument, though, and now I am going to call my father in California, which is a more reasonable thing to do ... and that's enough of you for today, kiddo.

@ Jane

Your reply has saved you and your husband from the horrors of the camp.

@ Lars the walking and talking stereotype

Yours have not

@ Tropby the dime-a-dozen college kid

You little college crusaders really are worthless. You might wonder why adults never listen to your naive ideas.

It's "lose" not "loose". When attacking the intellectual capabilities of adults be sure to use correct spelling. Also, your anti-Israeli sentiments are the reason armed police officers stand guard in front of Jewish places of worship in Germany to this very day. Your scum government placed the price of your grandfather's murder victims at $1,000 per head ($6 billion). Don't think that this gets you off the hook.

The Germans will broker the release of IDF soldiers because France, UK and US are actively seeking to punish Iran while German continues to support Iran and not because the Israelis like you. Trust me, they do not, nor do most of your neighbors.

We've taken France away from you German scum and you have been left with Venezuela and Iran. Enjoy Iran while you still can.

@ Texas Blueblood:

´When attacking the intellectual capabilities of adults be sure to use correct spelling.´

Indeed. Your mistakes, posting in Your mother tongue, include e.g. :

Der Speigel
pervious loyalty
seperate trees
healthcare
Repbulican

I admittedly made a Freudian mistake by using ´loose´ instead of ´lose´. Whenever I read Your insulting rants, I think of a loose person blabbering loose ´arguments´. Mea Culpa.

Oh, and the US is still trading with Iran. Supporting the US tobacco farmer seems to be more important than defending Israel:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25579959/

especially @ Grimmy and Texas_Blueblood:

I totally enjoyed reading your populistic bullshit. Ever made a second thought, why the situation drove that bad, as it is? Maybe it's because the arrogant way of thinking, which is perfectly represented by the two of you?

Now about the most funniest parts i've found:

"Germany exists as a nation because other nations, predominantly the US, made it so. Germany did very nearly nothing to earn its existence. It was made by others willing to spend the treasure and stand the force to make it so. Now that the US needs a hand, Germany can do nothing more than play the pathetic passive aggressive games of cowards."

So it's up to you, to deceide which county is worth of existance or not. What's a countries purpose? What do it need to do, to "earn its existance"?

How dare, you even think of this question. It's a democratic, sovereign country. Welcome to the current century. We're not living in ancient times, any more. Rome fighting Carthag... what a stupid comparison.

"Willing to spend the treasure and stand to force to make it so"?
You must be kidding. In the early years after the war, a vast amount of germanies industry were dismantled, factories were striped, most scienctists shipped to the war-winners. Furthermore, there were plenty of reperations to be payed. The plan was not a growing and prospering germany. Infact, the force to make it so, wasn't that strong, too. Maybe you don't know it, but germany was seperated for over 40 years. Furthermore, the success of the "marshall plan" which i think are the "treasures" you refering to, is questionable. Germany got 1.440 million dollars help. That's 11% of the total funding from the entire plan and is equivalent to less than 3% germans gross domestic product. Don't get me wrong: i'm thankful, because that money helped a lot of starving people. It helped in a crucial moment, but it's a myth, that rebuilding the industry was primary thanks to the marshall plan.

"German socialized medicine being possible only because US tax payers subsidize the German (and the rest of the parasitic world's) access to pharmaceuticals at cost of production."
Another quote, which i totally adore.
Next time, please refer to wikipedia first:
Largest pharmaceutical company:
1 Pfizer USA, New York 45,1
2 GlaxoSmithKline England, London 39,2
3 Sanofi-Aventis Frankreich, Paris 37,4
4 Novartis Schweiz, Basel 29,5
5 AstraZeneca England, London 25,7

I'm sure the entire world would die within seconds if we are forced to quit using Pfizer products.

i humbly hope you forgive me my ignorance and spelling errors
your beloved archenemy
Acidos

when i moved to germany in 77 my only relative that wouldnt visit was a dane who then lived in paris. when he finally showed up in 79 he would only eat on the base or in american restaurants (who knew there was a kfc in heidelberg!!).
silly me, I thought this was strangely rude behavior.
but i can clearly see why so many people really dont dig the german attitude especially the "you pay for my military protection while I tell everyone how stupid you are."
I hate lots of americans, I also hate lots of germans. so what. I'm stupid for hating and I know it so I just let it get to the annoyance stage and pray about it. germans these days dont have Jesus so they have to vent and pray in their church, the marxist press. the rest of the germans didnt have anything to do with the crimes of their forebears and are too busy arbeiten to care. the bible says that if you shine light onto those that live in darkness they will seek darkness. I'm the same way. dont let the morons that sound the loudest make you think thats the way every one else is thinking. its a german and american tradition to try and help someone by insulting them to make them see something theyre missing. I cant really believe in the myth of national character and thats about that. take it one chermn at a time and bithc at the idea not the person or you look like the other idiot.

I've quoted you and linked to you here: http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2008/09/re-wsj-opinion-anti-americanism-is.html

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