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I guess they forgot to mention that the bill would cover "poor" children in families that make $84,000 per year and who already have private health insurance. Why mention that? It would reveal this for the cheap political charade that it is. That wouldn't make a Spiegel article, and it might get some Germans wondering just how poor our poor really are.

Focus had the same, but shorter article as well.
I registered on their site to respond. I did mention the lazyness of the German media just using "copy and paste" rather than to investigate a story further. I pointed out that the Schip program was not dead, that it allowed families with an income under $ 45000 to insure all their children for about $ 15 per month and that congress tried to increase that amount to $ 80 000 and that ush was right to veto. I said in my reply that people should investigate before crucifixion.
This morning I received a reply saying that my comments were denied. Zensur vielleicht?
SPON also highlighted the part that Bush denied illegal aliens free chemotherapy treatment.
To that, an illegal alien doesn't pay social security or Taxes. Even if they would want to, they can't due to the lack of a social security number.
I had cancer abd the cost of chemo runs between 6 000 and 10 000 per week for 6 months. Why should the taxpayers pay that for illegals? Why don't they go back over the border every week and get treated in a mexican hospital? It isn't that far.
However, the Socialists believe this is wrong. We have between 12 and 20 million illegals who are already taxing our resources. What does Germany do for illegals?
Some of the repondents were highlighting the rockets Bush can buy killing innocent Children. Well, I have a solution: Since Germany is the fourth largest exporter of weapons in the world, why shouldn't they lead by example. Stop all weapons exports and show the world how to do it? Think that would work? NO, because too many jobs depend on it and the Government is banking on the income.
The biggest automobile polluters are manufactured in (Drum roll) Germany. Stop building those Cars to show the world how to become green instead of lecturing everyone else? NO
The do gooders have no clue because they are told what to think and what slogans, no matter how stupid, to adopt.
Talk, Talk some more, debate and promise. That is the mantra of those Uebermenschen.

One of the things that is hard to explain to Germans is that Americans don’t do Socialist well. We are too wild. We don’t give a f**K. We do not get social anything. So that when the government, Americans, do a social program, it is down hill on skis from there. I can prove it. Public Housing. We built entire towns of Stalinist concrete crap. The builders ripped us off. The politicians took bribes. The residents tore, ripped, and stole everything that wasn’t welded. And, that was the first year. After that various crypto/political mafia repair companies lived off triple overpriced repairs forever. I once tried to do a per unit cost on a project that I just picked out of the blue. I only used newspapers reports of initial and then as time and residents wore the place into ruins, the ‘remodeling’. I gave up after the costs exceeded by five times those of a detached house in the suburbs.

Even public education is a waste. Most cities spend what you could send a kid to an elite private prep school. City graduation rates are about half. I think they are even worse as kids ‘move away’ before high school and drop off the radar. Of the half that ‘graduate’, ahem, most likely half are just shoved out the door, there degrees are worthless, although these people tend to have a high opinion of themselves. Kumbyaha, self-esteem and all that.

Let me put it this way. If city, state or Federal government is doing it, whatever bad you read, it is worse. A. The administrators cover it up. B. The media are supporters of the programs, so they accept the administrators bull, and do a little fluffing and covering of their own. It is done of course, for the children.

Which brings me to American health care. The government is already into, at least, half of the system. It is now responding to problems it created by attempting to solve problems earlier. This is a bad feedback loop.

Another thing.
Bush could of done the easy thing. Instead he forced the problem back to the people who created it and who must solve it. All children will get care, it is that it is a money fight, that the parties wanted to have Uncle Sam pick up the check. Much like rich kids on vacation or at a school send bills they ran up back to their parents. The states are wealthy, the cities are wealthy, the citizens mostly are wealthy enough. They just want to take the easy root. They don’t want to have to look at their budgets and tried to dump the costs of the kids off on the Federal government. Bush said no. Any city or state can raise the taxes. If fact they have done so many times over, only they care so much about kids that they have spent it on their own salaries, offices, staffs and pensions.

Ug.
Sorry about the typos. Weak coffee this morning. I am having trouble seeing.

I'm seeing the same kinds of headlines in the US media, but then again, I think they're all biased US democrats... and that explains that (partisan politics)... Why the German media feels compelled to take partisan sides in US politics... escapes me...

It shouldn't escape you, Thomass. The Left in the US are the natural allies of the American-hating Eurocrats and political elite. They view the US as the class enemy, and we are. Simply because the US exists. Of course, if the Looney Left had their way, then America as we know it would cease to exist. They would change it into another Eurosocialist nanny state, with France in charge, of course. It's no mystery at all to me why German media sides with the Left. BTW, have you EVER read anything positive about any convervative politician in German news? Of course not.

Unfortunately for some illegal immigrants they do indeed pay income taxes, but that money is collected and credited to the number of the SSA card. Often either stolen or fake. And they pay any number of sales taxes on a daily basis. But I am surprised that SPON didn't also claim that Pres. Bush told everyone that Dumbledore died before that Harry Potter book was released, he knew where Natalee Holloway was being kept and that he tiptoed out onto the streets of Washington DC after dark and threw Colt 45 40s and McDonald wrappers all over the streets.

Here is the comment I wrote to focus regarding this item. It was refused. :)

Hallo ambychoice,

Ihr Beitrag: nicht nur ueberschriften lesen
Ich finde es richtig dass Pres. Bush sein Veto eingelegt hat. Fakt: Das Schip
programm existiert weiter, wie bisher. Familien die unter $45 000 Einkommen
haben koennen antrag auf Krankenversicherung vom Staat stellen. Der monatliche
beitrag fuer alle Kinder liegt bei $ 15 im Monat. Dies schliesst sogar
Zahnaerztliche behandlung ein. Der Kongress wollte dieses Einkommen auf $82 000
erweitern. Die meisten die ueber dieses einkommen verfuegen,haben schon
Versicherung und koennen es sich leisten diese weiter zu tragen. Geld Gier
sollte nicht verwendet werden um die Steuerzahler die Versicherung zu
subventieren. Ich wuerde ein $82 000 einkommen nicht als Armut bezeichnen.
Erst nachforschen, dann Kreuzigen! Natuerlich ist es ein Fressen fuer die
Deutschen negatives ueber Busch zu schreiben

wurde nach Prüfung durch einen Administrator abgelehnt/gelöscht.

Off-topic: It occurred to me that quite a bunch of Germans assert that the crime rate in the U.S. is skyrocketing and that harsher punishment isn't particularly helpful. Does someone have the data? I suspect it's just another delirious urban legend. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

Posted by: Scout | October 04, 2007 at 11:00 PM

"It shouldn't escape you, Thomass. The Left in the US are the natural allies of the American-hating Eurocrats and political elite."

I hear the words but don't 'get it'. Why the hell do Western Euros need the US to bash? They do, but why? Whats really in it for them? I'd say it's a German thing but the French clearly have the disease (and a very alien culture to the German)....

Posted by: Peacer | October 05, 2007 at 07:06 PM

"Off-topic: It occurred to me that quite a bunch of Germans assert that the crime rate in the U.S. is skyrocketing and that harsher punishment isn't particularly helpful. Does someone have the data? I suspect it's just another delirious urban legend. Correct me if I'm mistaken."

Can't help.. only data I've seen says to total opposite. Crime is way down from 25+ years ago and it is thought that three strikes rules* (re: very harsh punishments) did a lot of it...

* Three felonies (re: serious crimes) and you get life in prison. Had a deterrent effect and also put habitual criminals in jail for life... thereby lowering the crime rate by getting them out of society…


@ thomass
could it be that most people in Germany suffer from a "Minderwertigketskonzept"?
The USA is a very easy target since there are no consequenses. The US does practise freedom of speech and opinions. In contrast to Russia, there could be many retaliative measures to consider. Higher gas prices anyone? The same goes for China where Germany is trying establish trade relations. Of course they haven't noticed that with China it will only be a one way street. They ignore it right now, banking on discussions and Talking.
I could be wrong but it is worth consideration. Anyway it is the best
I can come up with.


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Thomass, IMHO Germany suffers from a collective Personality Disorder. In order to feel better about themselves, they first have to tear others down, along the lines of, "We're not so bad after all, look at how bad those others are." If you do this exercise often enough, then you can reach the next stage of German consciousness, that being, "We're better because the others are so bad." Clearly, the German politicians who play unwanted Moral Apostle have reached this stage. Moreover, they have a need to remove victim status from others, so they can apply it to themselves. That's why 9/11 conspiracy theories are alive and well here, and that's why their view of the Near East is always that the poor innocent peace-loving Palis were once again mercilessly attacked by the evil baby-killing Israeli soldiers.
BTW, if you forget to do the exercise, don't worry. The ARD / ZDF evening news will do it for you and give you the results.

Posted by: Scout | October 05, 2007 at 09:13 PM

"Thomass, IMHO Germany suffers from a collective Personality Disorder. In order to feel better about themselves, they first have to tear others down, along the lines of, "We're not so bad after all, look at how bad those others are.""

That does make sense and does seem to be pattern.

"Unfortunately for some illegal immigrants they do indeed pay income taxes, but that money is collected and credited to the number of the SSA card."

Pat, if an illegal pays too much in taxes he can get a refund like anyone else (I know some who do it). The IRS doesn't care about the SS number -- only that they you have one (even if invalid) and file. What illegals do not and never will get back are SS taxes.

Aside from the $82,000 income possible, the plan the President vetoed ALSO defined "children" as "under 25".

Never before in the history of this nation have "children" been people under 25!

Does anyone find it a bit odd that my children, ages 19, 21 and 27 will be paying for the health care of other "children"? (sure, this is linked to a tabacco tax, but that will not last long.) Soon, if this becomes law, it will be funded by general taxes and because my kids are hard workers, they will end up paying for their own health insurance, and for "children" who are older than they are!

Don Miguel-Yes, you're right and I should have been more specific. However many illegal aliens do not apply for refunds on taxes for fear of deportation. This results in the overpayments remaining in the hands of the states and the central government. That SS money is gone forever as you pointed out.

"Unfortunately for some illegal immigrants they do indeed pay income taxes, but that money is collected and credited to the number of the SSA card"

and if that happens to be YOUR SSA number? YOU are liable for the Income Tax due on that income LOL

Now why is it UNFORTUNATE that someone in this country ILLEGALLY does not get to keep all the money they make?

It's unfortunate when anyone, legal or not, works and then is denied that portion of money he is entitled. Just as many of the illegals are cheated on a daily basis from either part or all of the money offered for their labor. Also that if you can justify cheating an illegal it's not really all that difficult to justify cheating a fellow citizen.

@Pat Patterson -
But I am surprised that SPON didn't also claim that Pres. Bush told everyone that Dumbledore died before that Harry Potter book was released, he knew where Natalee Holloway was being kept and that he tiptoed out onto the streets of Washington DC after dark and threw Colt 45 40s and McDonald wrappers all over the streets.

That was last week's issue.

@Peacer -
It occurred to me that quite a bunch of Germans assert that the crime rate in the U.S. is skyrocketing and that harsher punishment isn't particularly helpful. Does someone have the data? I suspect it's just another delirious urban legend. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

According to these figures, crime in my state (New York) is at its lowest point in 30 years. A quick scan of national data suggests that this isn't limited to NY. The particular Germans that you refer to are apparently as ignorant as bigots ever are.

@Doug
A quick scan of national data suggests that this isn't limited to NY.

In the enclaves where violent crime has increased, the cops are attributing it almost entirely to gangs, e.g., Philadelphia, which really is having a bit of a problem.

Also, they attribute much of the steady decline to crack cocaine - those who aren't in prison for years are dead. Problem solved.

I posted that Saturday evening. Sunday morning I saw Tim Russert look into the camera and declare that crime had been on the increase for the last couple years.

And they can't understand why some people want them hanged. Professional responsibility clearly means nothing, but doesn't personal integrity? Intellectual honesty? Apparently not in media.

"Off-topic: It occurred to me that quite a bunch of Germans assert that the crime rate in the U.S. is skyrocketing and that harsher punishment isn't particularly helpful. Does someone have the data? I suspect it's just another delirious urban legend. Correct me if I'm mistaken."

Crime rates have been falling in both nations for some time.

The US with its more populist punishments still has a higher level of violent crimes than soft Germany, e.g. circa 3 times as many rape cases and 4 times as many murder case per capita.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

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"Thomass, IMHO Germany suffers from a collective Personality Disorder. In order to feel better about themselves, they first have to tear others down, along the lines of, "We're not so bad after all, look at how bad those others are."

Seeing the level of vitriol, this should be rephrased:

"Certain US posters suffer from a collective Personality Disorder. In order to feel better about themselves, they first have to tear Germany down."

Ankle Biting Pundits has a great post about this issue. You can check it out here:

http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/content/index.php?p=2645

http://www.bcbsm.com/pr/pr_09-26-2007_11943.shtml

Look at the details of this.. health care coverage for children for 10 bucks a month!!
Read through the details.. you would never hear about this
in Germany. And I would tend to think many of the other States have such a program - at least States like New York, etc.. the "red" States.

but NOOOO... all poor children in America have no access to health care or insurance.

"Why the hell do Western Euros need the US to bash?"

See Orwell and the two-minute hate.

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