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Yeah, well Chrysler mis-allocated its inventory, apparently - too heavy on the SUV line w/gas prices rising.

oops.

Also, the lost job figure is a 3-year phase-out, so an average of just over 4000 jobs per year. Not too bad - not great - but better than 13,000 all at once.

And the New Jersey plants, though efficient, were no where near as profitable, often not profitable at all, as the new Mercedes plant in Alabama that was selling SUVs and crossovers. New Jersey is an expensive state to operate in and plant closings are simply part of the migration of assemby plants to right-to-work states by the foreign car companies.

Pat Patterson, I think a plant in Canada has been affected, also

/no regulation there, no siree

Maybe Chrysler will be sold. Then I would be willing to buy their products again.

Remember those golden days of yesteryear during the Clinton Administration, when the lion lay down with the lamb. According to the biggest pedlars of anti-American hate, there was no "anti-Americanism" in those halcyon days. Why, in those days, we are informed, only loving glances were exchanged between the German media and their pals across the Atlantic. "Anti-Americanism," they helpfully explain, as they rake in the dough from their latest propaganda screed, is just opposition to the policies of the Bush Administration. NOT!! If you want to see hysterical, frothing-at-the-mouth anti-Americanism, beside which much of the stuff we see today pales in comparison, check out Spiegel's coverage of the "theft" of German Panzer secrets in Spain when an American company bought a share in a Spanish firm with access to the information in question. The incident happened during the Clinton administration, and not one iota of proof was ever offered that such spying had ever taken place, but that didn't prevent Spiegel from whipping itself into a fine fit of anti-American fury. What, you ask does that have to do with Chrysler? Gee, I wonder if Chrysler ever had access to any American "panzer secrets"?

Funny. How about accepting that Chrysler (as well as Ford and GM) just build more and more shitty cars in comparison with their competition and at the same time are not able to keep their house in order?

Mercedes is surely not holy, and they had/have lots of problems as well (they are not nearly running as profitable as Porsche or BMW, not even like Audi). But they managed to an extend, and they are making profit again. If you rant of like that, you just sound laughably anti-German instead of pro-American.

As for the comparison to GM/Opel. It was GMs heavy control over Opel than ran Opel into such heavy problems (such as higher profit margins which resulted in too many cuts in development, forgetting the importance of Diesel tech and squeezing the suppliers to much). It was mainly due to THEIR decisions that created Opel's mess.
On the other hand, it was the now-DC-boss Zetsche who turned Chrysler around, at least temporarily. It was not due to German influence, that Chrysler is in such problems. Without the "German Investor", they would have been there a lot earlier.

How about this: When Opel was in trouble other German car makers where doing fine (not all but some). Now that Chrysler is in trouble, strangely the "Big Three" are ALL in VERY big trouble. In this case (and this is not meant in an Anti-American way)it seems to be more a problem of the US-Car industry and not one single company dominating another company into problems. In other words, a problem that Mercedes simply could not fix.

So not EVERY negative news about America includes anti-Americanism (by which I mean the protests about the Opel incident, which were justified), and actually some news are deserved. Chrysler NEEDS to cut jobs, the US-automobile industry needs to close at least 1000 dealerships (they just have to many), they have to many plants and they have to change they product line-up away from the focus on SUVs, among other things)

For the record: I really like America (not the current administration), Spiegel deserves a lot of blame, I really don't like Mercedes and some of their politics and I work in the automotive industry (at a company that you don't like;).
But this whole thing has nothing to do with Anti-Americanism in German media. Not even the Opel-thing, in that case the German was simply right. It not worth to be mentioned here...

As an add on: Of course Mercedes did some mistakes the past years with Chrysler. Allowing them (ordering?) them to so grossly overstock is one of them. but they simply don't deserve the amount blame that GM deserved for the "Opel-incident"....

I don’t think the majority of American could care less about the Big Three. By and large, they and the unions have been living off the consumer and taxpayer for decades. Both the union and the management have had 1950’s ideas of quality and customer service. As long as I have lived I have watch them as an industry, dismiss, denigrate and belittle foreign competition. First with the VW Beatle, then later with the Japanese. The Big Three and the unions have always run to Washington to get the government to force taxpayers to bail/support them. So, they don’t get much support from me.

Just as an aside to fairness, I remember years of sucky Audis, being able to by a Mercedes cheaper in German, have it shipped over, than Mercedes America would sell you a car. I also remember the VW Fox, legions of Fiats, Peugeots, Renaults, and not that anyone will claim ever to have seen one, the Yugo.

GM is a huge blob of an organism. With the exception of Cadillac and their trucks, they are unfocused, floundering, slow and dim witted. I heard the present CEO, Mr. Wagoneer say on radio, ‘..that GM would meet any Japanese standards.” I almost drove off the road. First because he more or less admitted that GM didn’t, second that his inspiring leadership would result in GM just pulling equal, not surpassing the Japanese manufactures. It was pathetic and stupid. As if the Japanese are going to rest and wait for GM to catch up. But, for twenty-thirty years it is what I expect from the ever third rate management of GM.

Anyways, as an American, I have more good choices, at all price ranges then ever in my life. By and large, cars are cheaper, cleaner, better built, longer lasting and with more features.

I got my first Mercedes 4 years ago. Compared to American auto companies, their customer service is outstanding.

Car's not bad either.

And frankly, I have little sympathy for morons who load their inventory with SUVs.

Welcome to capitalism.

@Kaneda

"But this whole thing has nothing to do with Anti-Americanism in German media. Not even the Opel-thing, in that case the German was simply right. It not worth to be mentioned here..."

I see. You feel that the magazine cover with an American boot crushing German workers was a reasonable and balanced response to a given set of objective facts.


You feel that the magazine cover with an American boot crushing German workers was a reasonable and balanced response to a given set of objective facts.

Good catch, Helian. I didn't care about reading Kaneda's entire post so I missed that gem. This is quite a historic day. (It's admitedly small history, nothing big, but yet very telling). As far as I know Kaneda is the first one on DMK who explains thin-skinned Americans that stern's cover is actually a reflection of high journalistical standards and has absolutely nothing to do with blatant display of anti-American prejudices. Tomorrow Kaneda will manage to explain how IG Mettal's cover "Die Aussauger" is in fact a declaration of love towards America. Beware the day after tomorrow!

I just get tired of Eurosocialists saying that they like America, but not the present administration.
Rubbish. It's just a common excuse. Nothing more. It's the typical Euro qualification: "Yes, but....."
What that really means is that they love an America that thankfully doesn't exist except in the minds of many on the left: A socialist wealth-redistribution Nanny-State America with an insulated, secure, and unresponsive bureaucracy echelons above reality -- in essence, just like they have in Europe.

"I just get tired of Eurosocialists saying that they like America, but not the present administration.
Rubbish. It's just a common excuse. Nothing more. It's the typical Euro qualification: "Yes, but....."

i guess, there also lot of people in the US, the like america, but not the present administration. what is your point?

Posted by: Carl Spackler | February 15, 2007 at 06:36 PM

"Both the union and the management have had 1950’s ideas of quality and customer service."

They wish. I have a 66 Continental that just keeps running. Anything built since the 70s is lucky to last 5 years...

@ Helian: Well, obviously the German media tends to be out of line (that is what I actually meant by "Spiegel deserves a lot of blame") but the cover of that Stern story I did not check. I was referring to what I remembered of that time, which was just heavy criticism towards GM and their corporate strategy and their bad influence on Opel in more respectful medias such as "Die Zeit". The Stern cover is plain ridiculous and stupid, and yes, it is way out of line.
But why suddenly in this case Stern seem to represent all "the German media" is beyond my understanding as well. In my opinion, Stern is just shortly above BILD, so it should be simply ignored. The other link has as far as I can see nothing to do with the automotive industry but with companies such as Blackstone and others. So it is of no interest in my arguments.

@WhatDoIKnow: Sorry, but bad catch. You didn't get my point. See above for how to judge the Stern. And about IG Metall: For christ sake, they are the Union!! That is NOT German media!! they just serve the purpose of doing as best as they can for they clients which "of course" includes putting all the blame always on somebody else, and never on the own clients.

@Scout: Interesting that I am a "Eurosocialists" (what a load of biased crap from your side!!). Yes I do like America, I have been there MANY times, my brother lives in NY and is married to an American woman. My mother(!) studies "American Studies" here in Germany. In the end, we are a really "pro-american" family that have a real interest in that country, unbiased by German media. I say this just to point out that I am not some stupid America-basher, as they are easy to found on the streets these days. I like many aspects of American culture, life, thinking etc... and I also dislike many aspects. But that goes the same for Germany, Japan (the country where I currently live) and other countries. As far as I can see, there is no perfect country, all of them have some quite heavy flaws. And to be more precise: I don't like the most previous American administrations either, as I don't like the most previous (and current) German ones (and even less the most Japanese)

What you are doing (and many others here) is pure stupidity: Turning any justified criticism on America (and that does NOT include the Stern cover or IG Metall) in "anti-American-bias", as if you are the only ones who are allowed to criticize the US.

To put all this back in context: During the GM/Opel incident heavy criticism towards GM was justified (stupid Stern Covers not). Currently such criticism towards Mercedes would be actually NOT justified, so it was pointless to bring this whole story up. They can't be compared, and even unbiased (or the same biased) media simply can't run the same stories again with just switching GM/Opel with Daimler/Chrysler.
Sometimes it is not that simple.

@Kaneda

"But why suddenly in this case Stern seem to represent all "the German media" is beyond my understanding as well."

Have I ever said that? Has this blog ever said that? Show us one single instance of genuine objective criticism of the Opel decision that I or this blog or anyone who posts to this blog ever objected to. All you've done since you turned up here is attack one strawman after another that has nothing whatsoever with the content of this blog, or any of the points it's ever made in its criticism of the German media. Look at the covers on the panels to your right. They are the sorts of things I object to, and that this blog objects to. The represent mindless, hatemongering attacks on my country, and they are hardly isolated instances. I and, I hope, this blog, will continue to object to spiteful anti-American propaganda whenever we see it. If you don't like it, tough, deal with it, because we aren't going away. I have never objected to legitimate criticism of the US by anyone, nor has this blog. The only one possessed of pure stupidity here is you. Either take issue with a position this blog has actually taken, or take your pecksniff attitude and get the hell out of here.

You really don't get it that I basically agree with you, funny... yes the covers on the right I object to as well. That is why I read this blog.

>Have I ever said that? Has this blog ever said that?

May I suggest that you read the f... article we are talking about? But here, let me quote for you:

>What will the German media say? Of course, they'll be all up in arms, as they were in 2005, when GM discussed job cuts at Germany's Opel plant. (insert here LINK TO THE >STERN COVER and one other issue, that seems to be unrelated to GM/Opel).

There you go. "The German Media" represented by ONE cover/article in "Stern"!?! You want to read better coverage of this topic? Try http://www.zeit.de/ for example. Has, as almost every page, a quite nifty search-function, I think it will server you well... Or just try all the Automotive press...

My point is that this whole entry compared the Opel situation to the Chrysler situation (and assumed to compare the media coverage of it), which doesn't work.

>Either take issue with a position this blog has actually taken, or take your pecksniff attitude and get the hell out of here.

That is what I am doing. may I quote the article...again?

>Say it ain't so! This is so sad... Locusts cutting jobs to maximize profits!
>However - this time the locusts are from Germany:

Here we go, a comparison that - this time doesn't work. So what I am saying is: "You got a good blog, but this time you missed the target, because there was none...". That's the point.

>...this blog, will continue to object to spiteful anti-American propaganda whenever we see it

Agreed. But no spiteful anti-American propaganda here when DaimlerChrysler lays of jobs in the US. The Opel incident is old news and there is no reason to bring it up here again ...

And I don't give a rats ass what you want me to do. Internet is still a free place, so I will read here and comment more if I want to and have the time to do so. If you don't like it, either shut up and don't read it or actually respond to what I say.

In my opinion, Stern is just shortly above BILD, so it should be simply ignored.

kaneda

This is an old and dishonest argument on DMK: ignore Stern because they are only a little bit better than Bild, ignore Spiegel because they are only a little bit better than Stern, ignore TAZ because they are only a little bit better than Spiegel... and so it goes... What about FAZ, what about SZ? Ignore them because they are "Einzelfälle"?

The question is how much should one ignore? And, more importantly, how many Germans get their information from publications you consider that one should ignore? Sorry, but the "ignore" argument doesn't fly. It might have worked years ago, before the America hatred took off to new levels in the media, but it doesn't work anymore today after all those years of Chinese-drip-style America bashing.

You got a point there, I admit. But maybe "ignore" has to work at least for BILD (I mean take a look at the UK-Yellow press. They REALLY still hate the Germans... but it is Yellow press, there is nothing you can do about it...). There is no way to deal with the BILD (except Bildblog.de), it seems like every country needs this kind of media. I am quite sure the US has them as well. (which is no excuse for any of them...)

FAZ and SZ are not "Einzelfaelle", same as "Die Zeit", which used to be favorite weekly newspaper (now I can jsut read it online). The difference with these is, that even if they cross the line sometimes or write utter BS, other times they get it quite right. I remember the beginning of the Iraq War. That time "Die Zeit" had many many Pro vs. Contra arguments, representing both sides of the story including a definite pro-american stand (and at that time the America-hatred was on its maximum I think). Also on numerous other occasions they feature articles that highlight US achievements (i.e. check their Education-section. It always uses the US universities (not only Ivy League) to describe how it should be done in Germany).

Of course this is no "get out of jail"-card for some of the BS they sometimes create, and they surely deserve the blame they get here. But at least they are not 100% biased against the US, as i.e. Spiegel is. That means there are different levels (I think no countries media is perfect), so I think you just can't put them all in one box labelled "German Media".

I mean, we also can't label all US-Media by just watching Fox News ...

After all I think there needs to be a certain balance at the end of the day, and most of the more respectable ones like "Zeit" usually get that (though I never read SZ, I never liked it, so I don't know about them). Remember that "Zeit" basically consists of comments and not news, so there is always a certain bias in one or the other way. With "Zeit", it at least used to go both ways. However, Spiegel and Stern and others are extremely one-sided biased, and that is truly a real problem and a shame.

PS: TAZ is beyond help. That magazine is so far left (like telepolis.de), that it really makes me sick sometimes. What BILD is in stupidity and just plain bad and wrong journalism, that is TAZ in extrem left, Anti-American, anti-capitalist complete Bullshit, that ignores any facts that they don't like.

“My point is that this whole entry compared the Opel situation to the Chrysler situation (and assumed to compare the media coverage of it), which doesn't work.”

Get a clue! It’s point was not to compare the management style at Opel with the management style at Chrysler. It’s point was not to compare the number of jobs lost at Opel with the number of jobs lost at Chrysler. It’s point was not that there is a direct, quantitative and qualitative, one-to-one correspondence between the actions of the people who run Opel and the people who run Chrysler. It’s point was not to suggest that the severity of the specific mistakes made by the CEO of Opel was equal to that of the CEO of Chrysler. In no way, shape, or form was its point to compare the magnitude of the problem at Opel with that of the problem at Chrysler. Allow me to explain the point to you, which, one would think, would be palpably obvious to any intelligent human being. The point was, that when the managers of German-owned companies make decisions that negatively impact American workers, the US media does not respond by publishing quasi-racist caricatures of the entire German people, as represented, for example, by a German flag wrapped around a jack-boot, crushing Americans.

Sorry, Kaneda, but the Stern magazine cover on the panel to your right is not going away. You can keep up your obfuscations and diversions until you’re blue in the face. You can try the usual hackneyed argument that, after all, it’s only Stern, and no-o-o-body takes Stern seriously anyway. Try reading back a few posts. You’ll find similar hate-mongering attacks on my country in FAZ, SDZ, SPON, FOCUS, you name it. Your pretence that the problem is limited to Stern is just a stupid lie. To explode that lie, one need look no further than the panel to the right. Did the caricature of my country as a blood-sucking parasite appear in Stern? Did the caricatures of America as a greedy grasshopper, devouring German industry appear only in Stern? No they did not. These condemnations and caricatures of an entire people for the actions of a few are pervasive in the German media. They are an evil, and, I might add, an evil that Germans, given their history, should be particularly ashamed of. One would think that, given that history, they would not rationalize quasi-racist attacks on another people. One would think that they would not shill for the people who make those attacks. Unfortunately, in your case at least, one would think wrongly.

“What you are doing (and many others here) is pure stupidity: Turning any justified criticism on America (and that does NOT include the Stern cover or IG Metall) in "anti-American-bias", as if you are the only ones who are allowed to criticize the US.”

Allow me to suggest that, for someone as mentally challenged as you so obviously are, it is not good form to initiate forum posts by accusing others of stupidity. Please, tell us, what justified criticism are you referring to that this post supposedly objects to? Please show us a single instance of where this blog has ever objected to justified criticism of America per se in any context? In fact, it never has. What it does object to are articles that willfully misinform and disinform, or “leave out” relevant facts that don’t fit an agenda. What it does object to are attempts to smear an entire people for the acts of a few. In this instance, what it specifically objects to is the Stern cover to your right. I’m sorry if, in your opinion, that cover should have been lightly touched on once, and then allowed to sink into obscurity. I’m sorry if you feel that all such instances should be buried for all time once the story has become, in your opinion, “old.” Tell me, do you apply the same standard to the German media? Every single day in that media, we see a huge dossier of American “sins,” most of which took place not a few days ago or a few years ago, but long before most Americans alive today were born, recited ad nauseum. Given that fact, how is it that you have the incredible gall to suggest that DMK never bring up the infamous Stern cover again?

I hope that DMK will continue to rub that cover in Stern’s face. I hope they will continue to rub similar covers in the face of the German media until they finally get the real point of this post. As for you, a person who palpably and completely missed that point, invented a “point” of your own as a substitute, and then accused DMK of “pure stupidity” for “bringing up” that point, I have no such sanguine hopes. People like you will never get the point.

---"What will the German media say?"---

I'm guessing it won't be "German firms take jobs away from Democrat workers in New Jersey and give them to Bush supporters in the South". Or "German firms find capitalism beneficial as they move away from unionized plants to "right to work" (non union) states". This one I like, "Mercedes management brings new lessons learned in America home to Germany."

OT:

Continuing GW conversation, Blue, I've reviewed some stuff on the web. What I've found is they don't know, Harvard's done research on wetlands, doesn't know if yeah or nay, NASA's doing current research, so won't know until 2008, and a lot is based on stuff from 1998.

However, via Bros. Judd today:

A new report on climate over the world's southernmost continent shows that temperatures during the late 20th century did not climb as had been predicted by many global climate models.

This comes soon after the latest report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that strongly supports the conclusion that the Earth's climate as a whole is warming, largely due to human activity.

It also follows a similar finding from last summer by the same research group that showed no increase in precipitation over Antarctica in the last 50 years. Most models predict that both precipitation and temperature will increase over Antarctica with a warming of the planet.

David Bromwich, professor of professor of atmospheric sciences in the Department of Geography, and researcher with the Byrd Polar Research Center at Ohio State University, reported on this work at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science at San Francisco.

"It's hard to see a global warming signal from the mainland of Antarctica right now," he said. [...]

"The best we can say right now is that the climate models are somewhat inconsistent with the evidence that we have for the last 50 years from continental Antarctica .

"We're looking for a small signal that represents the impact of human activity and it is hard to find it at the moment," he said.

---

No change there, no change in the glaciers in India that they've researched.

Interesting there's more stories coming out putting the brakes on the momentum.

OT:

Continuing GW conversation, Blue, I've reviewed some stuff on the web. What I've found is they don't know, Harvard's done research on wetlands, doesn't know if yeah or nay, NASA's doing current research, so won't know until 2008, and a lot is based on stuff from 1998.

However, via Bros. Judd today:

A new report on climate over the world's southernmost continent shows that temperatures during the late 20th century did not climb as had been predicted by many global climate models.

This comes soon after the latest report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that strongly supports the conclusion that the Earth's climate as a whole is warming, largely due to human activity.

It also follows a similar finding from last summer by the same research group that showed no increase in precipitation over Antarctica in the last 50 years. Most models predict that both precipitation and temperature will increase over Antarctica with a warming of the planet.

David Bromwich, professor of professor of atmospheric sciences in the Department of Geography, and researcher with the Byrd Polar Research Center at Ohio State University, reported on this work at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science at San Francisco.

"It's hard to see a global warming signal from the mainland of Antarctica right now," he said. [...]

"The best we can say right now is that the climate models are somewhat inconsistent with the evidence that we have for the last 50 years from continental Antarctica .

"We're looking for a small signal that represents the impact of human activity and it is hard to find it at the moment," he said.

---

No change there, no change in the glaciers in India that they've researched.

Interesting there's more stories coming out putting the brakes on the momentum.

...they surely deserve the blame they get here. But at least they are not 100% biased against the US, as i.e. Spiegel is. That means there are different levels (I think no countries media is perfect), so I think you just can't put them all in one box labelled "German Media".

Of course you can. There are indeed differences in how much they engage in America-bashing, but they are all in the same box. If you play in the mud you get all muddy, it doesn't matter that you have a white handkerchief in your pocket. You are tainted the moment you stepped in the mud.

we also can't label all US-Media by just watching Fox News ...

I am not surprised you have a low opinion of Fox. Have you ever watched it? I'll tell you one thing, which will probably shock you: Fox News is the most honest network in America! Huh, what ?? "Most honest"? Yes. With Fox you *always* know what you'll get. You know who is a conservative host, and thus you know what you'll get. The other networks, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC (did I miss any?), *all* pretend they are impartial. Everyone knows they are liberal, but this doesn't stop those networks from denying the obvious. The *only* network open about their host's position is Fox.

Another thing about Fox, which is my personal observation. I think I have heard and seen Democrat positions expressed on Fox News much more often that Republican positions on any of the other networks. Any of the big Fox shows, Hannity & Colmes, O'Reilly or Brit Hume have guests from both sides. Every single time. Even if the host is a conservative, they *always* allow opponents to make their points fully.

Keep one thing in mind: Fox's diversity of opinion is unheard of in the German media.

I believe that most people who criticize Fox News have never watched it, at least the ones outside the US. They repeat what their ideological cousins from the US say about Fox. The American critics of Fox dislike it not because of Fox's alleged low quality journalism (like you find in Bild or Spiegel), but because Fox managed to brake the monopoly of liberal thought on American TV, and was even very successful at doing it. That's what open-minded liberals can not accept, and thus they smear Fox on every occasion.

somebody here good at photoshop? lets photoshop that stern cover. a german springerstiefel trampling on hard working americans....

CNN is reporting that General Motors is in talks to buy Chrysler.

??????????????????

Sell.
Everything.

If only Fox News would be as widely available here in Germany as CNN is, I would gladly watch it. But even CNN is often more trustworthy and balanced than our own media.

I think I speak for most Americans (but correct me if I'm wrong) when I say:

1) Automobile manufacturing is now a global business and there is too much production capacity;
2) I am sorry that American workers will lose their jobs;
3) Except that greedy and stupid union-types are responsible for this mess;
4) Along with greedy and stupid management;
5) Why is a Chrysler auto made in Mexico more "American" than a Honda built in Ohio or the Toyota that I own that was built in California?

I believe that capitalism is the best economic system mankind has ever invented. Ford/GM*/Daimler-Chrysler are failures, so they should die. Something better will come along and the cycle will be renewed. Perhaps it will be Tesla Motors.

* I put an asterisk there because I think GM is actually producing some exciting and decent vehicles for the market now and could turn things around. For example, the HHR looks pretty slick, and so far from the reviews it seems to be reliable and efficient. They just need to keep the development momentum up and continue to improve their image.

Lou: I agree.
look at the new cadillac CTS, new Chevy Malibu, Saturn Aura, GMC Acadia, Saturn Outlook, Buick Enclave to see further indications, that GM is turning around. Ford and DCX on the other hand...not so much.

also sprach Kaneda: "What you are doing (and many others here) is pure stupidity: Turning any justified criticism on America (and that does NOT include the Stern cover or IG Metall) in "anti-American-bias", as if you are the only ones who are allowed to criticize the US."

I agree. And I'm American.
Helian, what part of "ad hominem" don't you understand? You can say that kaneda got hot under the collar, too, but you set the tone. I also find your urges to shut Kaneda up most un-American.

"Helian, what part of "ad hominem" don't you understand? You can say that kaneda got hot under the collar, too, but you set the tone. I also find your urges to shut Kaneda up most un-American."

Typical. One of them comes in and accuses the editors of the blog of "pure stupidity." Then another one comes in all weepy and misty because the initiator of ad hominem attacks is treated in kind.

Notice that, as they choke back the sobs, they seem to have forgotten all about the American flag-draped boot crushing German workers. That, of course, is the point. They know they can't defend the indefensible, so they try a diversion, usually involving the striking of virtuous poses.

Actually I did not attack the editors of the blog with "pure stupidity", but instead the other people commenting on me ignoring my point.

The original story refers ONLY to German media and if it will react different this time. And of course it does, since the business-situation is VERY different, as I explained.

That the German Media was/is out of line was never questioned by me. That the US media now treats Germany better than the German media did treat the US at the time of GM/Opel might be (I don't know, I can't check all US papers). But frankly, right now I don't give a flying fuck. That was never the point of the original story, and therefore not the point of my post. The story was only about the German media. Do I have to quote?

"What will the German media say?"

Therefore I pointed out that these situations CAN'T provoke the same reaction. Because in this case Daimler doesn't deserve any blame in the first place, whereas GM (not the US, GM!!) did deserved a lot (but of course not like Stern did, how often do I have to say that?!?!?).

I did not question the "mission" of this blog, since I support it. I think this blog is usually right, there is a strong Anti-American voice in the German Media, and I don't like it as well.

As I also did say before: When I wrote my first post I wasn't aware of the Stern cover. When I said "the German media was right" I referred to those who blamed GM for making shitty decisions and then making Opel pay for it.

In other words: No, I don't try to defend the indefensible, since I don't want to defend the German Media. They deserve the blame.

"The story was only about the German media. Do I have to quote?"

No, no, not at all, Kaneda. I simply assumed that, considering the reference to "locusts," the link to the original Stern story about the Opel closing, and the link to the infamous Stern boot cover that the point of the article was obvious to everyone. I'm convinced now, though. It really was too subtle for you.

Germans neither deserves nor accepts either blame or responsibility.

This goes beyond just the automobile industry.

Kaneda and I agree on this point.

Should we expect Newsweek or Time to soon have a cover with a German flag motifed set of jackboots about to step on a bunch of helpless American workers? I wonder if Mr. Munterfering will be as outraged over this one...LOL.

Note from David: We are working on the graphics, Hector07. Check again in a couple of days...

I tried to respond to Kaneda last week, but I had trouble with Type Pad.

Kaneda states:

"As for the comparison to GM/Opel. It was GMs heavy control over Opel than ran Opel into such heavy problems (such as higher profit margins which resulted in too many cuts in development, forgetting the importance of Diesel tech and squeezing the suppliers to much). It was mainly due to THEIR decisions that created Opel's mess."

"On the other hand, it was the now-DC-boss Zetsche who turned Chrysler around, at least temporarily. It was not due to German influence, that Chrysler is in such problems. Without the "German Investor", they would have been there a lot earlier."

Here is a business article, written ironically 9/17/01, that contradicts all of Kaneda's points one by one. Remember, before Dr. Z (Zetsche as he is known in American Chrysler television commercials), Daimler Chrysler was ran by the dull and incompetent Juergen Schempf. It was Schempf who contradicted every decision that American management wanted to make at Chrysler. When Chrysler went into the red in 2001, Schempf did not take responsibility for his mistakes. Schrempf, an arrogant German Besserwisser, brought in Zetsche to “take over.” Zetsche eventually brought Chrysler in to the black by firing 26,000 people and by forcing suppliers to underprice their products.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_38/b3749001.htm

Perhaps Michael Moore should revisit Detroit and make a new film about the massive Chrysler workplace layoffs. There were 26,000 layoffs for Chrysler in 2001 when Zetsche took over. Zetsche is now planning a further 13,000 layoffs for 2007 for a total of 49,000 layoffs since the “marriage.” Moore can call the film....."Dr. Z and me."

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