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After reading up on Stalin's regime and the Turkish genocide of Armenian and Assyrian christians the last couple of weeks, I'm amazed how genocide wasn't that uncommon in Eur-asia. The banality of evil.

Yes, and when you look at Gunter you see the banality of evil deniers. An evil denier is an evil enabler.

"Yes, and when you look at Gunter you see the banality of evil deniers. An evil denier is an evil enabler."

So you believe there are evil countries and good countries?
Are you religious?

Hello People,

don't waste your time trying to make sense with Gunter. I find this so amazing that the people I know, my neighbors, my friends, normal intelligent people, people that are just like me, can all be as stupid about the world as Gunter. I have lived in Germany for a long time now, and almost all Germans are exactly like Gunter. They really sincerly beleive this stuff that Gunter was saying. I just can't figure it out how normal people can be so messed up in their head. But I finally decided that it was a waste of time to even try to logic with these people. It's like the whole population is brainwashed or something. Yes Gunter, you're thinking is very stupid, but you and your friends don't even know it. But basically Germans are good people and they are good friends on the personal level.

I have so much respect for the Germans that are not brainwashed, as few as they may be...

One small comment to Gunter, I just can't avoid this,

Evil and good do not always have something to do religion. There are good and bad things in life. Good and bad people. Yes one could say Good and Evil. I think you are a German native speaker Gunter, so I must say respectively you don't get it. Yes, the leader of Iran has some very evil intentions towards a deomcratic ally of American. Since he is the leader and represents his country, it does make Iran an Evil country at this point in history. Pakistan and India are not Evil and comparing their nuclear capabilities to Iran's is not possible. Yes, Iran is evil. The soviet empire was evil as Ronaldo Magnus so masterfully put it. Hitler was evil. But I know that you as a German will have this thought, as I have heard ever so often in Germany-"Hitler's ideas were not all that bad. He did have some good points...."
Come on Gunter, try to think a little bit here.....

@ americanbychoice, whatdoiknow: thx
whatdoIknow: "salutare" is Italian or Romanian? :)

@Gunter

Quick question: First you posted
The Arrogance of european economical sovereignty won´t be tolerated
When I gently brought up the issue of energy dependence on Russia you posted
The problems with russian ressource delivery are indeed concerning. Our governments are going to reduce our dependence on russian gas due to recent events. But in contrast to other european countries, Germany will probably only have to worry until 2010, since german and russian companies are working intensively on a pipeline through the baltic sea to avoid the influence of transit countries.
I don't see the righteous defense of 'european economic sovereignty' here. Germany will be ok in 3 years so all is well? Surely Shell, a Dutch company, that Moscow just eviscerated, is included under the 'european economic sovereignty' umbrella???

I would like to pose a question to other Germans on this blog. I don't know how old Gunter is, I don't know how old you are. When I posted the item about the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (in response to Gunter's assertion of Germany's long alliance with 'arabs') he responded

As regards muslim freedom fighters in the second world war: I didn´t think of any from the middle east, but rather those that lived in the southern part of the soviet union. They were oppressed by the communists and so they quickly joined axis forces as they seeked independence.

Is this what you learn in school? Mir's post notwithstanding about the German MSM, I don't think this is something the German MSM addresses one way or the other (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong).

Given that comment about oppressed Muslim freedom fighters aligning with Nazis as liberators: as Germans, what does this tell you about Gunter's time and place? If anything?

Truly I am curious.

@WhatdoIknow

"Yes, and when you look at Gunter you see the banality of evil deniers. An evil denier is an evil enabler."

Gunter cannot help himself. He is what he is. A fool at the least, a totalaranian sympathizer at worst. Why waste your time on fools or the insane? You cannot logically convince someone out of a postion they did not logically arive at.

@wc

"Come on Gunter, try to think a little bit here..."

See above.

whatdoIknow: "salutare" is Italian or Romanian? :)

It's Romanian. I don't know why I was under the impression that you are Romanian. Sorry for the confusion.

@Buckeye
Gunter cannot help himself. He is what he is. A fool at the least, a totalaranian sympathizer at worst. Why waste your time on fools or the insane? You cannot logically convince someone out of a postion they did not logically arive at.

To say that Gunter cannot help himself is to deny him his fundamental humanity - free will.

Speaking only for myself, my interest is not in persuading Gunter and his ilk out of his/their position - it is simply to understand the parameters of the world view.

And to begin to set the boundaries of accountability.

@Pamela

I was once told by a german teacher who taught in Baden Wurttenburg for 30 years that what the germans did to the jews equated what the Americans did to the indians. When I asked her to provide the evidence of US govt. doctrines or mass grave sites indicating ethnic cleasning in America, she couldn't respond. I knew I shut her arguement down, but I didn't change her mind. Truth and facts scares the shit out of people.

@Gunter

"As regards muslim freedom fighters in the second world war: I didn´t think of any from the middle east, but rather those that lived in the southern part of the soviet union."

I have some Serbian aquaintances who would love to meet you personally to discuss your presumtions.

So you believe there are evil countries and good countries?
Are you religious?

This is not about what I believe, this is about reality. The reality is that there are countries, which are evil (or bad, or rogue, or whatever word you want to use). Recognizing this fact has nothing to do with religion.

@ Pamela

"Is this what you learn in school? Mir's post notwithstanding about the German MSM, I don't think this is something the German MSM addresses one way or the other"

Not at school :)
A few months ago there was a documentary on ARD about muslim freedom fighters in the Wehrmacht (they were called freedom fighters in german, so I guessed this won´t be a problem in english).
There was a ministry of "eastern affairs" during the war in Berlin that was devoted to those troops (Supplyment of religiously correct food and so on). Those muslims joined the axis armies after the Wehrmacht arrived in the southern soviet union, as they seeked independence from the communists.
As the eastern front was becoming less successful, those muslims were relocated to the italian front, because the ministry of eastern affairs expected the soviets to kill them on sight in case of capture. So in the end you could see some videos of obviously amazed US soldiers who guarded captured "german" soldiers in southern Italy that looked in fact very asian.

These are historical facts, so there is no need to feel uncomfortable when speaking about them.

"I don't see the righteous defense of 'european economic sovereignty' here. Germany will be ok in 3 years so all is well?"

The russians do have some rough communication with their western neighbors, but they have mostly proven to be relieable regarding Germany. So indeed, there is no reason to go crazy as long as Russia simply increases the gas prizes for its neighbors to a common world market level.

@ wc

"Yes, the leader of Iran has some very evil intentions towards a deomcratic ally of American. Since he is the leader and represents his country, it does make Iran an Evil country at this point in history."

Ah this reveals your mistake. The government of Iran may be evil from the perspective of an american, as it is certainly quite dangerous to american influence in the region. There are not only americans on this planet. You have to acknowledge that the perspective does not need to be the same in european countries for example.

"I have lived in Germany for a long time now, and almost all Germans are exactly like Gunter."

Yeah in some regard we seem to be quite different. In this blog for example, europeans seem to be less insulting :)

@Pamela

"To say that Gunter cannot help himself is to deny him his fundamental humanity - free will."

Free will. I would gladly give me life for it, but that sort of thinking is foreign on these parts. I was once told by a german engineering student at Ohio State, "the problem with America is that you are too free." circa 1995 Gunter is a product of his society, hence the false self-rightousness in his posts.

"And to begin to set the boundaries of accountability."

You are determining that you even hold status in these folks eyes to make those sorts of judgements. "Untermenschen oder Kaffar" opinions mean little, hence the condescending responses.

@ Buckeye Abroad

"You are determining that you even hold status in these folks eyes to make those sorts of judgements."

Do you notice that you sound exactly the way you want to describe ordinary germans? You seem to be full of hatred. In your opinion, what do you think has changed in the german society since the last war? I guess your answer is going to be very enlightening regarding your own accountability.

@Buckeye
I was once told by a german teacher who taught in Baden Wurttenburg for 30 years that what the germans did to the jews equated what the Americans did to the indians.

I have given some thought to the standard 'moral equivalence' arguments - and this is one. The ultimate response is something like this: "Are you so dependent on Americans for moral standards that you need their example to navigate your own moral geography? Your use of America and Americans as a backdrop reveals a lack of confidence in your own moral compass"

I stumbled upon this in a 'discussion' with some French and the room got very quiet. All the French left and the remaining Americans got drunk. Changing their minds is not the point. Establishing a barricade constructed of their internal contradictions is.

"And to begin to set the boundaries of accountability."

You are determining that you even hold status in these folks eyes to make those sorts of judgements

You know me too well for that. It is not my status in their eyes that has any value to me.

You and I both know there will be an accounting.


@Gunter
A few months ago there was a documentary on ARD about muslim freedom fighters in the Wehrmacht (they were called freedom fighters in german, so I guessed this won´t be a problem in english).
There was a ministry of "eastern affairs" during the war in Berlin that was devoted to those troops (Supplyment of religiously correct food and so on). Those muslims joined the axis armies after the Wehrmacht arrived in the southern soviet union, as they seeked independence from the communists.
As the eastern front was becoming less successful, those muslims were relocated to the italian front, because the ministry of eastern affairs expected the soviets to kill them on sight in case of capture. So in the end you could see some videos of obviously amazed US soldiers who guarded captured "german" soldiers in southern Italy that looked in fact very asian.

These are historical facts, so there is no need to feel uncomfortable when speaking about them.

Gunter, this is fascinating and thank you very much for a piece of history I had only the slightest awareness of and shall pursue. Altho' as Buckeye Abroad has noted, I am aware it travels through the Balkins and somehow I don't think this is going to come out well for German history - or Russian for that matter. (Any Germans here who would like to accelerate my education, feel free.)

However, the following is utter bullshit:
The russians do have some rough communication with their western neighbors, but they have mostly proven to be relieable regarding Germany. So indeed, there is no reason to go crazy as long as Russia simply increases the gas prizes for its neighbors to a common world market level.

No. You are on record. 'european economic sovereignty', arrogance toward which 'will not be tolerated'.

Either you stand by what you wrote or you don't.


@Gunter

"Do you notice that you sound exactly the way you want to describe ordinary germans?"
I've lived in Germany on or off since 1989. I think my descriptions are accurate as the germany MSM such as Spiegel, Stern, local MSM, etc.. in their evaluation of America or its citizens make it clear that no counter-arguement is desirable or wanted.

"You seem to be full of hatred."
No, its dissapointment.

"In your opinion, what do you think has changed in the german society since the last war?"

With the jettison of national socialism, not much. Same vilification of capitalism and the "zionist masters" as always, but this time its the boot lickers of communist social ideals.

"I guess your answer is going to be very enlightening regarding your own accountability."

I am accountable to my own and the Lord. How about you Gunter?

@Gunter to Buckeye
I guess your answer is going to be very enlightening regarding your own accountability.

Accountability for what?

And the 'hate' meme is all worn out. Pissing up a crooked rope in order to avoid constructive discussion.

And I would like to know your own answer to the question you posed:

"In your opinion, what do you think has changed in the german society since the last war?"


Pamela,
Possibly we need to look at Gunter in a light of German structure.
Even though today the mere mention of classes in Germany will encounter a massive storm of protest. After all, the media and Government have told them over and over again that their citizens live in a classles society. Nothing of course could be further from the truth.
Most Germans are "Arbeiter" and therefore willing followers. Then you have "Beamte" who are still workers, but follow the Government as their leaders. Then you have "Academia" who truly feel superior to those other classes beneath them. Then you still have the "Adligen". Granted, their statue as a seperate class has diminished and they could be spread among the forementioned citizens. In either case, they are still special.

The followers remind me of the Schoolyard Bully sympathizers who align themselves BEHIND the bully in order to be protected. they will be vocally beligerent and always look up to that bully for approval. That approval will become indemnification for all their actions.

The Aristocracy will bring forth decrees and boil the pot to take advantage of their followers.
Academia will be (is) the tool to sanctify the will of their leaders.

The goal is to make the followers cry loud enough and become vicious enough against any outsiders, whether they are dissidents from their view or simply other nationaliies or races. Now they can call it (with some justification) "THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE".

Gunter could be one of those followers who has the playbook of the ruling elites. I don't know and frankly I don't care. I just call it as I see it.
I know the German psyche, having been raised there and lived there for many, many moons. I just prefer to live in a society that is not as class conscious.
I guess you could call me a Master Race reject? :)

@americanbychoice
I guess you could call me a Master Race reject? :)

With the greatest respect, I salute you as one American by Choice that has done so much to make our home what it is. I'm so glad you are here.

I'm going to read and re-read your post about the various "gunter profiles" with some thought. You come to it from a specifically German position and I come to it from a specifically American position. So - while I think about yours I would appreciate your thoughts about mine.

Anti-Americanism, anti-semitism, etc. I think serve as a requirement for self identity. I don't know if you've seen my and Thomass' posts on earlier threads
- but we think that's the purpose - to provide a foundation for identity.

I've also written that if that function can be destroyed, we can begin to get rid of its tools - anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism.

This is, I believe, the reason my insults to the French about being dependent on America for their moral geography was effective. If the foundation for self-identity is shown to be in fact denial of self-identity, heads start exploding all over the place.

Of course the other purpose is that it's a helluvalota fun.

they should look on the bright side, el barbudo's on his very painful death bed and Cuba will shortly be open for biz.

--The government of Iran may be evil from the perspective of an american, as it is certainly quite dangerous to american influence in the region. There are not only americans on this planet. You have to acknowledge that the perspective does not need to be the same in european countries for example. --

A (now somewhat prominent) jewish survivor from the Camps was once asked what lesson should be learned, IIRC, his response was something like this, "When someone tells you he's going to kill you, believe him."

The muslims have been telling us for 1400 years, Gunter, surprising you haven't learned the lesson.

And typical, we can work w/everyone no matter who or how evil, except for Americans.

I've written here before and I'll write it again, they haven't changed.

Happy New Year, everyone. It's going to ba an interesting one.

Hopefully I will find the time to answer to your statements today, americanbychoice´s description of the german society is very interesting indeed.
Have a nice day (despite Kyrill)!

Sandy P!

Better late than never girl. Happy New Year to you too!

/going to get the popcorn

@gunter
original from me -
"Yes, the leader of Iran has some very evil intentions towards a deomcratic ally of American. Since he is the leader and represents his country, it does make Iran an Evil country at this point in history."
from you -
Ah this reveals your mistake. The government of Iran may be evil from the perspective of an american, as it is certainly quite dangerous to american influence in the region. There are not only americans on this planet. You have to acknowledge that the perspective does not need to be the same in european countries for example.

Gunter, and all the other people that think this way, do you know what you are saying? The government of Iran wants to wipe a country off the face of the earth and it is only evil from the American perspective because America might lose some influence if Israel is gone...????
This should be a concern for all of humanity no matter what the nationality or what the country. The point of view that it does not concern Gunter, and that he thinks that the European perspective might be different it absurd. Unfortunately, I have run across so many people that feel the same way as Gunter. If Switzerland wanted to nuke Austria would your perspective be any different Gunter?
Anti Semitism is alive and well in Germany I am afraid, and Gunter is probalby under it's influence just as so many people are. Get rid of the jews and all the world's problems will be solved....
sounds like deja vu all over again....

@AmericanByChoice

"I know the German psyche, having been raised there and lived there for many, many moons. I just prefer to live in a society that is not as class conscious."

This may be the most significant of the truths about German society that most Germans themselves don't have a clue about. I must have heard a zillion of them pontificating about the rich plutocrats who rule America, the slavery of the exploited underclasses, etc., etc., you know the schtick. When you point out to them that the deference shown to persons of higher social rank or class in Germany goes far beyond any similar phenomenon in America, they react with disbelief. Equality was one of the enduring values of the old Whigs who made our revolution. Read the travel books of the European aristocrats who visited the United States within, say 75 years of our Independence, and you'll find constant, often unfavorable reference to the spirit of equality, regardless of wealth. Many of them, especially in the West, were offended when the "help" they hired didn't act like European servants, but demanded to be addressed as equals and even sit at the same table. The difference endures to this day.

@ wc

What an utter nonsense you are saying. There are almost 200 countries on this planet and it is not our job to worry about all of them.
I have repeatedly said that there seem to be different interpretations on Iran´s real intentions between our continents, so you cannot possibly claim we are would support the intentions that you assume.

"If Switzerland wanted to nuke Austria would your perspective be any different Gunter?"

Our government would probably care at least as much as Iran cares about Iraq. It would be our neighborhood after all, the primary area of influence.

@ americanbychoice

Now like I said your description of the german society is indeed very interesting. You missed one important factor though in my opinion: I believe that the former politicial position of the nobility has been aquired by the main political parties now.
But the nobility has truely remained special, as the most wealthy families here are in many cases nobles and their rank has remained very reputable.

@ Pamela

"No. You are on record. 'european economic sovereignty', arrogance toward which 'will not be tolerated'.
Either you stand by what you wrote or you don't."

Of course I do. Don´t you know that Russia is part of Europe? This is an inner european conflict. So a common european position is not possible. As regards Germany´s point of view, Russia has proven to be a mostly reliable partner. Its neighbours are in the primary sphere of russian influence, and our governments are respecting this.
If Germany had a conflict with the Netherlands, the russian government wouldn´t interfere either.
I believe this is a major american mistake to assume that people from other countries also approve the interference in another country´s affairs simply because the USA are used to such a procedure.

Outside of america, such interferences are considered to be insulting and should be avoided as long as possible.

"And I would like to know your own answer to the question you posed"
(In your opinion, what do you think has changed in the german society since the last war?)

Now it is quite difficult to answer this question without writing a whole novel when you have been raised here. I personally believe that our society didn´t change significantly until the students of the 1968er generation rebelled against our authoritarian society and established a very pacifistic society. So until the unification and probably until the millenium, everything that was considered to be "un-german" was favored in education and politics.

The millenium roughly was a turning point. The more years that have passed since, the more have our traditional virtues returned. On the one hand most people have lost their trust into the ruling parties, their politicians and to some extend also into our current system. But on the other hand while the approval ratings become more and more horrible, this does not lead to any change, as the old virtue of accepting the political fate has returned.

And I believe our politicians are taking advantage of it to a great extent. Most striking here are our military engagements in foreign countries. They might not seem big to americans that are used to such engagements for decades now, but it is certainly an important turning point for Germany. All of a sudden we are in need of our own espionage satellites and a new class of stealth submarines and frigates that can operate world-wide. Billions of Euros are invested into the renewing of the information infrastructure of our army or into modernizing our airforce.
All these things are announced at some day by a military board and that´s it. If questions are raised among our media, the most important argument has become "It serves german interests" again. Such a procedure would have been unimaginable in the 1980s for example.

So personally I guess we are in the process of recovering from our wounds of the last war in this decade. We will have to find out where it leads to.

@Gunter - you say -
I have repeatedly said that there seem to be different interpretations on Iran´s real intentions between our continents

The stated goal of Iran is to elimante Israel from the face of this earth. What part of that do you not understand? How can the interpretations have any variance? Destruction is destruction. It is possible that Iran is playing just a game, but do you want to risk that chance?

@Gunter - you say -
There are almost 200 countries on this planet and it is not our job to worry about all of them.

Tell Greenpeace and Amnesty International that, and all the other do-gooders out there. They don't mind critizing but when the shoe is on the other foot it is a different story...

@Gunter - you say -
It is not our job to worry about all of them...?

I guess President Clinton and the western world had the same idea in regards to Ruhwanda about 10 years ago...

@Gunter - you say -

"If Switzerland wanted to nuke Austria would your perspective be any different Gunter?"

Our government would probably care at least as much as Iran cares about Iraq. It would be our neighborhood after all, the primary area of influence.

You are correct, therefore using your understanding, it is obvioius that America must live up to it's commitments it has with Israel. Just as it would live up to it's NATO commitments or it's commitments to Taiwain etc...

@Gunter - you say -
Outside of america, such interferences are considered to be insulting and should be avoided as long as possible.

Sometimes it is too late when you wait as long as possible. As it was in Ruhwanda. As it was in New Orleans with H. Katrina. As it would have been to continue to wait for Hitler to stop his push in to other countries..

Interference in a country that is a threat to the world is not just an obligation but a requirement for survival often..

This sounds dramatic and it is not meant to be, but I think the Germans and Europeans in general have changed much since the last wars towards a society that wants to avoid any type of conflict at any cost. It is a double edged sword sometimes. Appeasement to avoid conflict can lead to the opposite results than what you want......


If the Iranian regime was "only" seeking Israel's destruction, there could even be a rationale behind typical German (European) thinking like Gunter's. They just don't care about others, including Israel - mainly because they are so shortsighted. Of course, everyone should know that the existence of Israel is the main reason why the Islamists don't concentrate their efforts more on Europe like they did for hundreds of years. That alone should be reason enough for Europe to help Israel in any imaginable way - it serves our very own interest. But people like Gunter (and I know other Germans like him) just can't understand that not everyone is like them, only doing anything if it immediately servers their own benefit. The USA for example has sacrified their men and women and untold amounts of money to protect allies and friends (of course Gunter will say those selfish Americans did it only for themselves - again because he can't understand that not everyone is like him). The Iranian regime on the other hand wants to spread Islamic dominance, not only in Israel, but in other parts of the world as well (including Europe). It is obvious that they also are willing to make sacrifices in order to reach this goal. From their perspective a "noble", from our perspective a dangerous and "evil" one. That my fellow countrymen really think the Islamists would hate us any less just because of our nice business relations or our "pacifism" troubles me.

Pamela,
If you look at the German media you will see a lot of conditioning. All papers write about global warming at least once a day. One of them, the most widely read publication prints doomsday scenarios like "No more skiing in the Alps, 40 species of animals at the brink of extinction", etc. Is that from the Government playbook to ensure that the Volk doesn't get upset about the 8% eco tax? Even though most Germans will say that the Bild is stupid, it remains the most widely read paper.
You will also see words like "WE= us, Unser= ours, Volk= citizenry, etc. as socialist mantra of identification. Those words are much more widely used than in America or England.
I always hear that Germany is the land of Schiller and Goethe, but Goebbels has had more of an impact in the German written word and philosophy than those two combined. "Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth".
Gunter.
I had previously said that I believe there will be a war in Europe again. Just look at the following article/ comment:
Dieser Alarmruf

muss alle Politiker in Deutschland wachrütteln. Und jeden Demokraten!

Europa hat den Bundestag entmachtet. 84 Prozent unserer Gesetze werden nicht mehr in Berlin gemacht, sondern in Europa. Im Klartext: Die gewählten Vertreter des deutschen Volkes können den Volkswillen in fast neun von zehn Fällen also gar nicht mehr durchsetzen. Sieht so eine parlamentarische Demokratie aus?

Diese schonungslose Analyse allein birgt schon Zündstoff genug. Aber wenn sie ausgerechnet vom früheren Bundesverfassungsgerichts- und Alt-Bundespräsident Herzog stammt, unterstreicht das die Dramatik. Der Mann weiß, wovon er spricht.

Es wird höchste Zeit, dass Europa dann auch wirklich demokratisch wird. Dass wir die mächtigen Kommissare und den EU-Präsidenten wählen können!

Wie in einer richtigen Demokratie eben ...

Germany has almost twice the representatives as does the entire US. maybe that will be a reason to decrease the number of Bundestagsabgeordnete and save some money? Of course, it will never happen? :)
Maybe the Voters can call for adecrese in pay for those Abgeordneten.
Since they only have control over 16% of legislation, they could also get paid accordingly?
That would be an interesting debate :) Pay the according to the work they do..........

If the Eu constipation/ constitution goes through the way it is, the Eu will again be ruled from the top down by unelected officials. How long do you believe that individual countries will stand for that?
French style revolution anyone?
I could write a book about what is going on but would take up a lot of bandwith here.

The German overnment is now considering mandating Wage increases. 95% of the Germans will love them for that. If you look closer though something very important becomes obvious. It is a huge tax grab:

When we consider that between Taxes, abgaben, gebuehren usw. 60-70% is taken by the authorities, the cost of goods will increase, since the costs will always be passed on to the consumer, the average person will have nothing left over from this windfall.
The Government is very clever. A huge tax increase that 95% will applaud and love their Socialist Government for it.

Hi, Pamela!

--Don´t you know that Russia is part of Europe? This is an inner european conflict. So a common european position is not possible--

Of course it is, there's not much difference between USSR and EUSSR.

You're just squabbling about who gets to sign the checks and be the face.

He who controls the switches wins.

----

@Gunter - you say -
I have repeatedly said that there seem to be different interpretations on Iran´s real intentions between our continents

Hmmm, 444 days, 444 days, hostages. 1979 rings a bell.

Learn Gunter, still relevant today, via The Anchoress:

http://cuanas.blogspot.com/2007/01/rendevouz-with-destiny.html

--@Gunter - you say -
I have repeatedly said that there seem to be different interpretations on Iran´s real intentions between our continents--

We have been invited to Islam 2x now in nutjob's letters, Gunter, there's no interpretation differences, you're willing to give it up to everyone but the US. As long as we are put in our place, that's all that matters.

BTW, on "global warming," 1. America is not the largest polluter, we are a sinkhole which nets positive and read "Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years."

That book out on your coffee table alone should start some interesting discussions.

Debating Gunter is a huge waste of time. He made it crystal clear that the doesn't care about the fate of Israel, even though he hides under the thin veil of "interpretations". He might not really hate Israel (?), but a world without Israel, courtesy of Iran, doesn't fill him with apprehension.

I personally have little interest in debating someone like Gunter. For example, Amelie is an ignorant troll, but she's probably OK when she refrains from topics she has no idea about (which means most topics on DMK). OTOH, Gunter comes over as someone who would deal with the Devil if it improved the bottom line. I find this attitude extremely repulsive and I have no interest people displaying this attitude.

Gunter, that is a silly question. If they were they would sell Berliner Weisse and Bocksbeutel to West Asia.

@Gunter
Don´t you know that Russia is part of Europe?
No, actually I don't. But I can see it as a reasonable question. So I googled "Is Russia part of Europe?"

Oddly enough, I got not a few hits, so I gather it is a question of some interest. I'm posting this link because it's the most recent and encompasses most of the arguments I read in other pieces. The issues are rather interesting and frankly, it's not something I'd ever given any thought to. When I first read your comment, Gunter, I thought, Hell, no, Russia is at most 'Eurasia'. I think that still may be the case, but I never knew it was such a topic of debate.

Is Russia part of Europe?

Apparently, there is a school of thought that encompasses Russia into Europe that Gunter ascribes to. I therefore withdraw any of my comments implying a contradiction between Gunter's emphasis on 'German' vs. 'European' vis a vis Russia.


Outside of america, such interferences are considered to be insulting and should be avoided as long as possible.

Algeria
Vietnam
Suez Canal
Rawanda
Ivory Coast

Thank G-d everyone's staying out of Dafur. What a fucking insult that would be.

Your comments on the transformation inside Germany over the last decades I find very interesting.

the old virtue of accepting the political fate has returned.

Do you really mean to use the word 'virtue' - or something like 'traditional values'? The manner in which you have used 'virtue' implies that this is something you approve of, so I ask for clarification.

@Gunter
Don´t you know that Russia is part of Europe?
Geographically? Yes, up to the Ural. Politically? Well there is Putin, the "lupenreine Demokrat". Yeah, that's convincing.

Sweet talk is Putin's carrot, Gasprom is his thinly veiled stick.
Gasprom was used to get Ukraine and White Russia in line.
That was a wake-up call, as if one were necessary.

I am sorry for the Iran people, as they are being indoctrinated with poisonous stuff like this: Youtube clip "Jewish Blood Libel" (from Iranian TV, translated by MEMRI). I hope they can shake it off, but the odds are bad.

Regarding US imperialism that was mentioned here. I heard today about a new book, "Dangerous nation"

It deals with the problem "America-imperialist or force of good" in the world?
The author thinks it is mostly for fighting the evil that US got involved many times in (would-be) conflicts in other countries.
On the show, the host told about how the cold war is perceived today (and I think he's completely right about that) as a fight over power between 2 superpowers. No mention about the fight against totalitarian regimes.
Actually this is a Marxist view, that everything can be explained through economics.
I mean, in US it's only money that counts. And so they solved the problem. No mention about personal responsibility, entrepreneurship, etc. (Money would be here "wild capitalism")


@WhatDoIKnow
It's no confusion, you're right, I am Romanian and I enjoy when people address to me like that ;)
It's just that it made me wonder that someone remembered my being Romanian, the first thought was that it means sth in Italian, too.
So, thanks ;)
Do you have Romanian friends? Or how did you get in contact with Romanian words?


@Sandy P.
BTW, on "global warming," 1. America is not the largest polluter, we are a sinkhole which nets positive and read "Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years."
Someone owes you an apology for misrepresenting the data to you.

From http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/seminars/960610SM.html

Retrospective applications of the models have explored uptake and release of carbon by forests and forest products. Results suggest that U.S. forests are currently a net sink for carbon. Increases in biomass on U.S. forest lands over the last 40 years are estimated to have added 281 million metric tons per year of stored carbon, enough to offset 25 percent of U.S. emissions for the period. Most of this additional carbon is found in re-growing forests on abandoned agricultural land in the eastern U.S. These estimates indeed suggest that some of the "missing" carbon can be accounted for by storage in northern temperate forests.
That was 1996.

By then the effect has gone down:
http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/04/us-is-net-co2-sink.html

Nature 361, 520 - 523 (11 February 1993); doi:10.1038/361520a0
Recent change of Arctic tundra ecosystems from a net carbon dioxide sink to a source

CO2 emmissions per capita and year in CO2equivalent tons
http://www.carbonplanet.com/home/country_emissions.php
US 24
EU 11
China 3 (of course, this is times more than a billion people)

Russia a part of Europe? In the moment the Kremlin gives up his Security Council Veto and hands over control of its nuclear arsenal to Javier Solana, and not a second earlier.

And not very likely, at least not in that order.

@ Pamela

As regards Russia: It´s of course only a part of Russia that belongs to Europe. But I would argue it is the political and economical heart of it. History also suggests to consider them european, as Russia has always mostly focused on Europe and barely on Asia.

"Do you really mean to use the word 'virtue' - or something like 'traditional values'? The manner in which you have used 'virtue' implies that this is something you approve of, so I ask for clarification"
(virtue of accepting the political fate)

It doesn´t mean it´s something I approve of, but rather something that is approved by a great deal of the society. Personally I believe this has advantages and disadvantages. An advantage would be that the government can act on long term investments without having to bother with powerful critical opinions or demonstrations or other braking elements. So the speed of politics is increased in many cases which is something not only I am longing for. It fits to our mentality of preferring general agreements.
But a disadvantage would be that if something goes very wrong and the responsible politicians are too proud to give in, they can move the country against the wall in this regard as we say here. So I´m rather ambivalent on this.

There has been a recent national poll (published in late december 2006) showing that 82% of the population have the impression that the government governs with no respect to the people at all while only the remaining 18% believed that the opinions of the people is influencing politics here.
47% believed that the people doesn´t even influence national politics via general elections, while 48% believed there is some influence and 5% considered general elections to have a strong influence on our politics.
But it goes even beyond this dissatisfaction: While 36% are discontent with the system of our constitution, 61% are discontent with the practical performance.

Does this bother anyone? In other countries approval ratings like these would probably lead to demonstrations, strikes or even rebellions. But here, as long as the economy is doing well, nobody cares.
And that´s exactly what I have difficulties to understand: Even while the economy has been improving steadily since the brutal end of the "new economy phase", these ratings have worsened as steadily as well.

neocon

Do you have Romanian friends?

Yes.

how did you get in contact with Romanian words?

First time must have been at my birth :-) After that, I stayed in touch with Romanian words while I grew up and lived in Bucharest :-) Din cind in cind mai scrie un roman aici, Alexandru Voicu.

Folks, this article and some of the rude comment are very embarrassing. Come on, how can you seriously point your fingers at countries trading with one of your former allies? You have been showing the rest of the world how modern business is done - and they have been eagerly learning: Keep your options open, former allies can and will be tomorrows enemies, and Dr Jeep plays on, and on and on... And, fer chrissake, quit loving Bill O'Reilly and start loving Gunter again!
Cheers

Discontent without hunger resulting in apathy rather than revolt... not something Germany shares with France or with Pakistan, but a situation that certainly could be found in Persia as well.

@Hans Maulwurf -you say -
Come on, how can you seriously point your fingers at countries trading with one of your former allies?

Nobody is pointing fingers at countries trading with a former ally, Germany.

We are talking about trading with Iran.

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