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Josh Key is a deserter seeking asylum in Canada. He arrived in Canada in March of 2005 after going AWOL.

medienkritik posted about this awhile back.
What???

US troops playing... (gasp!) SOCCER???

The horror of it all! Oh, the humanity...
(h/t LCMamapajamas)

Is this getting any coverage in the German media?

The Rwandan tribunal is hearing from 25 survivors of the genocide, who claim to have witnessed French involvement

But now a former senior Rwandan diplomat has told a tribunal in his own country that France played an active role in Rwanda's 1994 genocide

LOTS of skulls there!

I believe the story originates in Afghanistan, where the mujahadeen were said to have played their equivalent of polo with the heads of Russians. I'm not certain, but IIRC Frederick Forsythe was the author...

Josh imagines himself the second coming of John Kerry, no doubt. He's about as credible. He'd better hope for the second coming of Jimmy Carter so he too can have an Honorable Discharge.

DIE WELT wrote this:

But it's also time that Germany sets aside its superiority complex with regards to its soldiers. The country, the paper argues, has tended toward believing that its soldiers are more sensitive, more enlightened and more peaceful than those from other countries. Indeed, "German public opinion has leaned toward treating isolated excesses, like the GIs in Iraq's Abu Ghraib, as proof for the baseness of the entire US army." The new photos of German soldiers with the skull should now teach us otherwise, the paper writes.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,444866,00.html


Hat irgendein mutiger Journalist die heutige Gerd-Show mit Fragen gestört????

Gabi, I just fell off my chair laughing...
But it's also time that Germany sets aside its superiority complex with regards to its soldiers. The country, the paper argues, has tended toward believing that its soldiers are more sensitive, more enlightened and more peaceful than those from other countries.

On what basis has said superiority complex developed? Stopping the genocide in the Balkins? Oh. Wait.
And what lunacy values soldiers for their sensitivity? Rommel was a superb soldier and an honorable one - but my guess is if you told him he was great because he was 'sensitive' and 'peaceful' he would have offered you your choice of weapons for a dawn meet-up.

"Rommel was a superb soldier and an honorable one - but my guess is if you told him he was great because he was 'sensitive' and 'peaceful' he would have offered you your choice of weapons for a dawn meet-up."

That made my day. He truly was the Man.

I'm guessing that behind all the PC crap the good folks at Rommelstraße 31, 97762 Hammelburg would agree.
http://www.deutschesheer.de/portal/a/heer/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLd48PMPIBSYGYZu7m-pEwsaCUVH1fj_zcVH1v_QD9gtyIckdHRUUAsz5tQA!!/delta/base64xml/L3dJdyEvd0ZNQUFzQUMvNElVRS82X0dfUDJL

Peter Philipp von der Deutschen Welle -

"Nachdem die - auf Privatphotos dokumentierten - Misshandlungen von Gefangenen in Abu Ghraib bekannt geworden waren und weltweite Entrüstung ausgelöst hatten, musste die US-Militärjustiz aktiv werden: In mehreren Prozessen wurden elf Schuldige zu Haftstrafen bis zu dreieinhalb Jahren verurteilt, die meisten aber kamen glimpflich davon. Einige wurden frei gesprochen und selbst ein Angeklagter, der einen Hund auf wehrlose Gefangene gehetzt hatte, wurde mit nur 90 Tagen Zwangsarbeit bestraft. Er konnte auch - nach einer Degradierung in den Armee bleiben.

Solche Urteile stärken nicht gerade das Vertrauen in die amerikanische Militärjustiz. Zumal bisher in keinem Fall ein höherer Offizier und erst recht kein politisch Verantwortlicher zur Rechenschaft gezogen wurde. Immer werden die Taten ausschließlich den Tätern selbst zur Last gelegt und es werden - wegen der widrigen Kriegssituation - mildernde Umstände in Rechnung getragen."
http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_printcontent/0,,2064639,00.html

UND HEUTE SCHREIBT ER:
"Das mutmaßliche Fehlverhalten von Bundeswehr-Soldaten in Afghanistan ist ärgerlich, aber nicht typisch für die Truppe, meint Peter Philipp in seinem Kommentar.

Bisher haben Politik und Bundeswehr richtig auf den Vorfall reagiert. Und wir können auf Ermahnungen aus Washington verzichten: Wer im Glashaus sitzt, sollte nicht mit Steinen werfen. Bleibt zu hoffen, dass auch die afghanischen Behörden ihren Betrag leisten zur Verhütung einer Eskalation: In Kabul weiß man genau, dass die Deutschen gekommen sind um zu helfen – man hat sie ja selbst darum gebeten. Und in Kabul weiß man natürlich auch, dass solch ein Vorfall nicht die Regel ist, dass Radikale aber nur allzu bereit sind, ihn dazu aufzubauschen."
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2215354,00.html

Mutmaßlich! Ärgerlich! Ruf nach den politisch Verantwortlichen? Fehlanzeige.

Deutsche Soldaten - Amerikanische Soldaten

Hat die unterschiedliche Aufmachung und Ausrüstung nicht mit den unterschiedlichen Aufgaben zu tun? Oder sehe ich das falsch?


"Die deutschen Soldaten achten darauf, nicht als Besatzer aufzutreten - ein Image, das vor allem den US-Streitkräften in Afghanistan anhängt. »Die Bundeswehr hat ein anderes Vorgehen als die Amerikaner«, sagt Bönisch. »Und sie wird von den Afghanen auch anders wahrgenommen.« Einer der seltenen kritischen US-Soldaten in Afghanistan beschrieb seine martialisch ausgerüsteten Kameraden hinter vorgehaltener Hand einst als »Robocops«. Mit dem Schnellfeuergewehr im Anschlag und der verspiegelten Sonnenbrille vor den Augen werde es nie gelingen, die Distanz zur verunsicherten Bevölkerung zu überwinden, sagte er resigniert.

Ganz anders ist das Erscheinungsbild der Bundeswehr: Im Gespräch mit der Bevölkerung nehmen deutsche Soldaten trotz des gleißenden Lichts am Hindukusch die Sonnenbrille ab, der Lauf der umgehängten Waffe zeigt bei Patrouillen nach unten. Ein deutscher Offizier in Kabul sagte einst, der Unterschied zur »Cowboy-Manier« der Amerikaner sei, dass deutsche Soldaten im Zweifel eher nicht schießen würden - um zu verhindern, dass sie vielleicht einen Unschuldigen statt einen potenziellen Attentäter treffen.

Dabei versehen die Soldaten ihren Dienst unter enormen Belastungen. Vier Monate sind sie am Hindukusch eingesetzt und von Familie und Freunden getrennt. Ehen zerbrechen, Kinder entfremden sich, bei Freunden stoßen die Erzählungen aus dem fernen Land auf Unverständnis. Die Soldaten trotzen brütender Hitze und eisiger Kälte, patrouillieren bei Regen und Schnee und leiden unter Sandstürmen. Hinzu kommt die stete Bedrohung. 18 deutsche Soldaten starben beim Einsatz, sechs davon bei Gewalttaten. Ihre Kameraden trauerten dann, verhielten sich aber tadellos. Der Frust über die heimtückischen Anschläge entlud sich nie in Übergriffen.

26.10.2006 dpa

http://www.waz.de/waz/waz.tdt.volltext.php?zulieferer=dpa&redaktion=bdt&dateiname=iptc-bdt-20061026-350-dpa_12957638.nitf&kategorie=&catchline=%2Fthema%2F%23story&other=tdt&dbserver=1

@Gabi
Ein deutscher Offizier in Kabul sagte einst, der Unterschied zur »Cowboy-Manier« der Amerikaner sei, dass deutsche Soldaten im Zweifel eher nicht schießen würden - um zu verhindern, dass sie vielleicht einen Unschuldigen statt einen potenziellen Attentäter treffen.

Vollenden Sie Scheiße

Th996
That made my day. He truly was the Man.

Indeed he was. I don't know how old you are or what nationality you are so I apologize in advance if you already know this.....

In the U.S., there is a kind of game people play; "If you could have dinner with 3 people from all of known history, who would they be?"

I have a rotating list in my top 20 but Rommel is always on it.

@Pamela

I'm German but have spent much time in the U.S. and as a result, I have heard of that question and appreciate Rommel on your list.

One thing I always appreciated is the American phrase that someone: "fought for/died for/served HIS country." No one ever says "the U.S.", as such, indicating that Americans believe individual military service and achievement is first and foremost associated with the always noble cause of defending one's country. In the first instance, Americans generally leave politics to the politicians, unless an individual soldier gives some reason that he should be overtly tainted by them. Interestingly, the way things almost always work out is that the most political of soldiers are usually not the most military successful, e.g., Goering, Keitel, even Stauffenberg (top of my dinner list) vs. Guderian, Manstein, Rundstedt, Rommel, etc. The existence of guys like Erich Hartmann is one of the reasons the German and U.S. militaries have had such great working relationship since rearmament in 1955.

The German mainstream media in its much touted ability to see shades of gray cannot make this differentiation. The immoral pacifist's mantra is that 'all soliders are murderers'. On some gut level, most in the media feel they are idiotic thugs at a minimum, and subconciously want to see this image reinforced.

The Bundeswehr Tradition Regulations prudently state that whereas individual military achievement by Wehrmacht soldiers can be a source of identification and tradition, the whole Wehrmacht as a politically tainted instrument, cannot.

But I digress...

I read the original Die Welt article cited by Gabi and misquoted (surprise!) by SPON and I'm quite sure it was talking about the politicians' belief of the German solider's - moral - superiority. Although I am more than confident in our soldiers' military skills (e.g., Auftragstaktik) and proud of the disproportionately high numbers of recruits which have an Abitur, I think moral authority always has to lie with the politicians that send them on a mission. If they are too feeble to explain the purpose of that mission to the their soldiers and constituents, a bunch of bored NCOs who come accross some old bones while on patrol, certainly won't do it for them.

The situation at hand just illustrates how unripe our political establishment is when comes to war and combat.

There is evidence that the soldiers at Abu Ghraib were instructed to do the things the brutal things they did to live people. The source has yet to be identified and not sacking Rumsfeld appears to continue to fan the flams of outrage. The same evidence of political willfulness cannot be said to be present with respect to the bones pics from Afgh. As such, one simply cannot equate the two and expect the same response to both.

"There is evidence that the soldiers at Abu Ghraib were instructed to do the things the brutal things they did to live people."

Let's see the evidence then, TH996. I say it's typical leftist BS. Do they keep it in the vault next to the pictures that prove LBJ had Kennedy murdered, and Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster and the CIA/Bush administration blew up the WTC?

I think the courts martial pretty much proved these were rogue acts by National Guardsmen not acting on orders.

If you want to argue that CIA paramilitaries may have gone beyond what some would consider lawful limits in Afghanistan, I'd listen. But I still want proof. Not assertions with no evidence.


Here is some evidence - the merits of which I will not comment on. I also won't comment about what should/should not have happend at AG. I wasn't there and want to give U.S. government the benefit of the doubt.

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/torture/25406prs20060502.html

I know it comes from the widely despised ACLU and I know that you'll dismiss its credibility because of the source. However, that's not my point.

My point is merely that there is some colorable evidence of policy level involvement at Abu Ghraib and that this has fed outrage in the U.S. and around the world (the existence of the ACLU article already makes my point). So far I have yet to see ANY similar evidence that German staff or general officers or policy makers tacitly promoted skull-humping.

As such, the current outrage in the German press is a off the rocker as is the outrage over the perceived lack of yet even greater outrage becuase these perps are German as opposed to U.S. troops.

@Gabi: Was soll dieses Zitat? Wir kämpfen dort gemeinsam gegen die Islamo-Faschisten. Darum geht es; und nicht um Sonnenbrillen oder Cowboys. Btw, Cowboy ist kein Schimpfwort. Amerika trägt die Hauptlast in diesem Kampf. Diese Besserwisserei in den deutschen Medien ist schwer zu ertragen. Harry

TH996,

Your idea of "evidence" is not mine. I followed your link.

I'm not going to read through 100,000 pages of documents. If the most they have is a comment about going "to the outer limits" of what is permissible - notice that General Sanchez does not say "exceed the limits," then what we have is simply the MSM again hyperventilating. It's the ACLU's story. I'll trust them to have found the most damning piece of "evidence" in the entire document dump.

What do you expect a general to say? Take it easy on the enemy?

TH996

Here's a better source for Abu Ghraib, compiled from gov't documents by Slate. The most comprehensive source I've found, complete with photos and videos

The Abu Ghraib files

(Trying to use the ACLU to convice me that the sun rises in the East would probably be an exercise in futility.)

The responsibility of the military commanders is considered to be one of training and supervision, or lack thereof and not one of approval, tacit or otherwise.

There is one death that has been ruled a homicide, but that was committed by CIA interrogator(s), not military personnel. If anything has been done about that, it hasn't been made public. That case is covered in Section 5, "Other Government Agencies'.

The behavior allegedly engaged in by German troops in Afghanistan does not compare to AG in any way shape or form, and altho' I can't and won't attempt to defend AG, I think it was not as bad as the impressions of it some people have. Humiliation is not torture.

@Harry, welches Zitat meinst du? Schuster hat die öffentliche Meinung in dem WELT-Artikel datgestellt. Die teile ich sicher nicht, wollte sie nur darstellen. Gabi

@Harry
Auch der Artikel aus der WAZ stellt nicht meine eigene Meinung dar. Ich wollte nur ein Beispiel bringen, wie dämlich unsere Medien sind.

Und diese Meinung teile ich:

WOLF BIERMANN in der ZEIT (die ich eigentlich nicht mehr lese, weil ihre Ideologie mir nicht paßt):

"Aus meiner Sicht war es ein Fehler, daß Deutschland sich im Jahre 2003 nicht auf die Seite der Amerikaner und Engländer gestellt hat im Streit um den Irak. Ich bin sogar der Meinung, daß der französische Präsident Chirac und sein kleiner deutscher Kumpel, der falsche Pazifist und Bundeskanzler Schröder, eine große Mitschuld am Irakkrieg der Amerikaner und Briten gegen das Terror-Regime von Saddam Hussein haben. Der Krieg vor drei Jahren hätte womöglich vermieden werden können, weil der Diktator abgetreten wäre, hätte der Westen mit einer Zunge gesprochen, mit einer Faust gedroht. Ja, ich denke, daß die Deutschen und die Franzosen schuld am Schicksal dieses Monumental-Lumpen sind. Weil sie durch ihre Appeasement-Politik Saddam Hussein suggerierten, er käme mal wieder elegant davon mit seinen totalitären Tricks, blieb der Diktator stur. Saddam rechnete nicht damit, daß Bush und Blair so naiv sein würden und einen Krieg wagen ohne ihre wichtigsten Verbündeten Chirac und Schröder. Seine Phantasie reichte nicht aus, sich vorzustellen, daß er aus seinen parfümierten Kitschpalästen in ein stinkendes Dreckloch, dann in einen Eisenkäfig vor Gericht und an den Galgen geraten könnte."

http://www.zeit.de/2006/44/Biermann?page=all


In dem Artikel geht es um Israel. A must-read!

"There is evidence that the soldiers at Abu Ghraib were instructed to do the things the brutal things they did to live people. The source has yet to be identified and not sacking Rumsfeld appears to continue to fan the flams of outrage. The same evidence of political willfulness cannot be said to be present with respect to the bones pics from Afgh. As such, one simply cannot equate the two and expect the same response to both."

Thank you, TH996. Danke. Danke. Danke.

I don't know why others bother debating with people like TH996; they are the perfect illustration of what Europe's MSM is doing to the continent's citizens and they are the perfect illustration of the need for people like David and Ray.

"My point is merely that there is some colorable evidence of policy level involvement at Abu Ghraib and that this has fed outrage in the U.S. and around the world (the existence of the ACLU article already makes my point). So far I have yet to see ANY similar evidence that German staff or general officers or policy makers tacitly promoted skull-humping."

I am perfectly prepared to believe that such evidence doesn't exist. However, the reason TH996 has yet to see any evidence of the sort (in any kind of European scandal) is that the news thereof is deemed to be of little importance (by both common citizens and news-gatherers) when dealing with a people the majority of whom is known for their lofty principles, for their lucidity, for their solidarity, for their peacefulness, for their blablabla…

Ergo, any scandal (the rare ones that we are allowed to see) are glossed over before anything happens.

Whereas, with American scandals, as the Amis are known for their arrogance, their duplicity, their greed, etc etc etc, every scandal must be magnified 100 times.

This leads in turn to people (on both sides of the Atlantic) being better appraised, on a regular and on a continuous basis, of the inner goodness of Europeans as contrasted with the inner evil of (at least certain) Americans, which allows for thinking naturally that information supporting either's "natural" traits need to be focused upon.

This leads Europeans (common citizens as well as news-gatherers) to qualifiy ever bad piece of news from Europe and every piece of good news from America with a "But", leading, say, TH996 to opine, "Well… okay… but there were (obvious) differences between the American scandal and the German scandal…" (Why upper-echelon Americans would bother giving such orders and risk a scandal in the first place is never dwelled upon ; apparently, their inherent evil nature is sufficient to explain the illogic of it…)

It's a vicious circle, guys. It's a vicious circle…

@ Pamela

Thanks. I also have no interest in condeming or defending AG.

@ Gabi,

Kaum zu fassen - aber ich stimme Herrn Biermann voll zu. Danke fuer den Zitat.

@ ErikS

Slow down, turbo. Let's not confuse evidence with proof. I'm no ACLU fan either. If you're not convinced by their or Slate.com's compliation of evidence, congratulations. Apparently others differ. As for me, I have not formed an opinion because I have not read all of what's available. As such, you won't hear me defend or condem. But your adolescent euro-hater-rant stridently demonstrates that you missed my point entirely. Pamela on the other hand got it. I'm guessing she's not alone and as such, and I won't repeat it.

"However, the reason TH996 has yet to see any evidence of the sort (in any kind of European scandal) is that the news thereof is deemed to be of little importance (by both common citizens and news-gatherers) when dealing with a people the majority of whom is known for their lofty principles, for their lucidity, for their solidarity, for their peacefulness, for their blablabla…"

I invite you to take off your ideological blinders for a moment. In case you haven't noticed the photo scandal has been the uncontested number one most hotly reported and debated story in Germany this entire week. Bild and RTL are (pathetically) making tons of money with their trickle of pics. There is blood in the water and the German MSM is in a frenzy. I'm just as frustrated with them as anyone - though almost certainly for different reasons than you.

This bone scandal is so big that the fact that Israeli F-16s shot at/near a German naval vessel the other day (the military equivalent of a middle finger) barely raised an outcry from the press. Another scandalous development is that UN and Lebanon agreed that the German navy is no-longer automatically allowed within 6 miles of the Lebanese coast (thus negating their effectiveness). The implication is that the Germany navy is unwanted by those it is supposed to protect and even if wanted - now can't do its job anyway. These developments demand a substantive discussion as to the utility of this mission.

"This leads Europeans (common citizens as well as news-gatherers) to qualifiy ever bad piece of news from Europe and every piece of good news from America with a "But","

Seriously dude. Find a better set of facts to conform with your absolutist point.

I'll even throw you a bone: Look at the fact that the Euro press barely batted an eye over NATO troops' accidently killing 12-80 civilians in S. Afgh. the past week compared to what it would have said if it were Americans that were responsible...

I am disappointed that the U.S. Media is not covering the “skull” story. Even my conservative Manchester Union Leader has not covered the story. (However, a friend of mine tells me that the Boston Globe had a page 3 story, with the pitifully inadequate German penis blacked out!) For you folks living in Europe, the Michael J. Fox v. Rush Limbaugh story is getting more coverage over here than anything going on overseas: except of course, the monthly Iraq death toll. This is one instance where the German media, albeit Bildzeitung, is out front with a story and where the American media is on its ass. This may be a case where the American main stream media may be putting aside any story that puts Abu Grahb in a different light because it may keep Congress in Republican hands.

Wolf Bierman

Many Americans probably do not know who Wolf Bierman is. Wolf was kind of like the Bob Dylan of East Germany. The old GDR regime kicked him out, (along with punk rocker, Nina Haagan, who settled in Greenwich Village and who used to be a regular on Letterman’s old “Late Night.”) and stripped him of his citizenship because he was anti-revolutionary. I always assumed that he was a lefty because when he came to West Germany, he was very critical of commercialism and consumerism. His view on Iraq, Israel and Schroeder are shocking and exciting. It sounds like Wolf has gone through an ideological metamorphous, unlike fat, uncontrite fomer SS thug, Guenter Grass!

Rommelstrasse 31

The German Infantry School. The German equivalent of “The Benning School for Boys.” (U.S. Army Infantry School, Fort Benning Georgia) Hooha, TH!

Did anybody catch the article by pompous Spiegel contributor Gabor Steingart in the English Section? They have apparently took it off SPON before I could book mark it.

According to this article....Germany has discovered that they now have “Trailer Trash” in their society...oh no!

GeorgeM
I am disappointed that the U.S. Media is not covering the “skull” story

I've seen some blurbs in WaPo & Washington Times. But really, how much coverage is it deserving of? I honestly don't think it's much of a story. The German MSM is making a big deal out of it, in my opinion, because the elite want to kill any German support for military 'adventure'. Coming on the heels of Germany's released plan to be able to cover 5 simultaneous 'hotspots' (with a grand total of 14,000 troops), let's just say I question the timing.

PETER MÜNCH in der Süddeutschen Zeitung:

"Völlig klar ist jedoch, dass die - man kann es nicht anders nennen - amerikanisierte Art der Isaf-Kriegsführung im Süden Afghanistans verheerende Folgen hat."


http://www.sueddeutsche.de/deutschland/artikel/19/89929/


Sorry, die bezeichnende Überschrift fehlte:

"Erst geschossen, dann geschaut

Völlig klar ist jedoch, dass die - man kann es nicht anders nennen - amerikanisierte Art der Isaf-Kriegsführung im Süden Afghanistans verheerende Folgen hat."

Peter Münch aus SZ

Noch etwas zur unerträglichen Süddeutschen Zeitung:

"KALIFORNIEN VERHEERENDE WALDBRÄNDE
Schwarzenegger setzt Kopfgeld auf Brandstifter aus"

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/,kulm4/panorama/artikel/83/89993/


Kopfgeld ist etwas anderes als BELOHNUNG (reward).

Schwarzenegger added $100,000 in state money to a reward already posted by Riverside County for information leading to the arsonist. San Bernardino County added another $100,000, raising the total to $300,000.


Was soll das???

Pamela,

“how much coverage is it deserving of? I honestly don't think it's much of a story.”

I think that any time a country, especially one that we consider a close ally, coins a phrase like “Amerikanische Verhaeltnise” and spends a considerable amount of its media resources discussing and criticizing American society every time there is a tragic event (Columbine, Katrina, Abu Grahb), and then the same event happens in their own country, should be covered by the American media. It should be covered not because of any sense of “Shadenfreude.” but because such catastrophes or events are common to all societies and not just common to the U.S. which the MSM and international media seem to advocate.

“I question the timing.”

This came from good old Bildzeitung: a Springer publication. These guys are typically very pro American and politically conservative. I think the message is: these isolated events can happen to any well disciplined army, including their own.

@TH996 "My point is merely that there is some colorable evidence of policy level involvement at Abu Ghraib and that this has fed outrage in the U.S. and around the world (the existence of the ACLU article already makes my point)."

Others have already pointed out that there IS NO evidence that this is "policy" or orders from someone higher up than the local garrison commander.

I would also like to add here a huge misunderstanding in Europe... that the US military is UNDER OBLIGATION TO DISOBEY ILLEGAL ORDERS. Their first order of responsibility is to the US Constitution. So even if they DID get orders from "higher up", it was irrelevant. They did something illegal, and the onus is upon those who actually did it.

I'm not sure if the soldiers of other nations are under this obligational level of personal responsibility for their actions, but it has been regarded as the Norm here in the US ever since the trial over the My Lai Massacre settled the matter once and for all.

"The devil made me do it," doesn't wash in the US military.

@GeorgeM
I'm not sure how to understand the phrase Amerikanische Verhaeltnise. American interdependency? Please clarify.

It should be covered not because of any sense of “Shadenfreude.” but because such catastrophes or events are common to all societies and not just common to the U.S. which the MSM and international media seem to advocate.

I agree, but good luck with that. The US media covers Europe in general just about as thoroughly as a thong covers my butt. (The metaphor applies, as I don't wear thongs and the US media doesn't cover Europe.)

Yer welcome.

"I agree, but good luck with that. The US media covers Europe in general just about as thoroughly as a thong covers my butt."

Um, does anyone know a good way to get spewed coffee out of your keyboard?

@ GeorgeM

"The German Infantry School. The German equivalent of “The Benning School for Boys.” (U.S. Army Infantry School, Fort Benning Georgia) Hooha, TH!"

...uh uh and my dad can beat up your dad, er something. Juvenile and pathetic.

At the end of the day, I'll support the men and women who put their lives on the line to defend my country. You wish to belittle the service of those individual soldiers by arguing their equipment/training don't meet your standards. Individual soldiers can do little about the equipment/training they receive. Therefore, even if you were to be the final arbiter of military prowess, your denigrating comment is a disgrace to soldiers from countries all around the world.

In fact it makes me think that if you had any first hand experience with Ft. Benning or the Infantrieschule des Heeres, I doubt was associated with an officer's rank (at least not one properly given).

Horrido! Over and out.

Pamela,

Amerikanishe Verhaltnisse is German MSM speak for declining standards of living. After all, only in America can poverty and violence survive among such wealth. Symptoms of Amerikanische Verhaltnisse: overweight kids, declining school scores, school violence, working more than 35 hours per week, stores open past 4pm, ect.

TH996,

"...uh uh and my dad can beat up your dad, er something."

Apparently you don't have any American friends in the U.S. Army. "Hooha" is a sign of respect and solidarity.

"In fact it makes me think that if you had any first hand experience with Ft. Benning or the Infantrieschule des Heeres, I doubt was associated with an officer's rank"

I was commissioned a second lieutenant at Officers Candidate School, which is part of the Infantry School at Ft Benning. I will not give you my retired rank.

@GeorgeM

I misread your comment. I now understand what you meant and withdraw my statement. Please accept my sincere apologies. Thank you for your service.

@Gabi: Sorry! Da sind wir vollkommen einer Meinung; geradzu deckungsgleich. Wolf Biermann hat es auf den Punkt gebracht. Der kleine deutsche Kumpel Schröder posaunt übrigens schon wieder seine Halbwahrheiten über den Irakkrieg in den Medien heraus. Gestern hatte er ein Podium bei Beckmann. Solche Sendungen sind nur schwer zu ertragen. Ich musste nach 5 Minuten ausschalten. Eine echt üble Mischung.

@Gabi: Schwarzenegger als US-Governor und die Süddeutsche ergeben halt so eine Mischung. Da kann diese Zeitung halt ihre Vorurteile richtig schön zum Ausdruck bringen: Cowboyland und Actionheld. Da fehlt eigentlich nur noch Israel. Dieses Land wird von der SZ nämlich auch permanent verunglimpft. Ich ignoriere diese Postille.

@Calahan (Harry)

Kein Problem. Sprache it oft mißverständlich.

Schröder gucke ich mir gar nicht an. Der ist so unerträglich dämlich und eitel. Das weiß ich und brauche keine weitere Bestätigung. Auch wenn ich den Schändungs"Skandal" übertrieben dargestellt finde, finde ich gut, daß er Schröders Buch überdeckt. Aber das ist auch nur das einzige Gute an der Sache.

Und die SZ kann man sich wirklich sparen.

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