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I believe the next step for our MSM will be to dampen this victory with more "news" about Haditha. However, there may be a problem for them there:

Haditha a hoax?
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5566

@James W.

The Haditha investigation is still going on, so before claiming that Haditha was a hoax we should all wait for the outcome of the investigation.

And the MSM are the ones whose correspondents are getting killed in Iraq. So at least they're trying to find out what's really happening by sending people over there. On the other hand, you're just reading blogs and trying to spin the news.

@unhinged: "The Haditha investigation is still going on, so before claiming that Haditha was a hoax we should all wait for the outcome of the investigation"

The Haditha investigation is still going on, so before claiming that Haditha was a massacre we should all wait for the outcome of the investigation. Unfortunately, the MSM does not do this. No innuendo too unripe if it could possibly be bad for Bush.

"...the MSM are the ones whose correspondents are getting killed in Iraq. So at least they're trying to find out what's really happening by sending people over there."

Everyone's number comes up sometime. It's a pity for the brave 2%. The other 98% stay in the green zone exchanging stories with like-minded moonbats at the hotel bar. No what I call finding out what's really happening.

"On the other hand, you're just reading blogs and trying to spin the news."

I suppose that is better than reading the NYT... there the news has already been filtered out in favour of lib-propaganda, so there is no more news left to spin.

you're just reading blogs and trying to spin the news.

Hillarious... So, the blogs and their readers are the ones spinning news, not MSM. But, hold on ... On a second thought, you *are* right. The MSM is indeed not spinning the news. They are fabricating the news.

Unhinged, I'm not spinning at all--I'm just forwarding another perspective like the media is doing. You are correct. The investigations are not complete. But, I'm sure we will be given a "fair and balanced" analysis of the their progress--on a daily basis.

To be quite frank, I trust information from numerous blogs more than I do from most of the nations biggest newspapers.

1. How many bloggers are blogging from Iraq?
2. How many MSM correspondents are currently reporting from Iraq?

This is a serious question.

@James W.

I think you're living in a bubble. But that's okay. You're not the only one.

Here's what I think about Iraq:

I think the war against Saddam Hussein was justified. I think based on the evidence available at the time any reasonable person would have come to the conclusion that Saddam had WMD. Saddam was a violent dictator. He deserved to be removed from power.

However, no planning was done for the aftermath of the war. There weren't enough U.S. troops, the Iraqi army was disbanded although they should have kept some of the Iraqi soldiers around, and, as was to be expected, the multi ethnic country of Iraq is a total mess now. "If you break it, you own it." Unfortunately, Colin Powell was right about that. Now we're all in this big mess and nobody knows how to fix it. Of course, you can spin the news and pretend that everything will be fine and dandy real soon, but I don't buy that, I think it's just spin. I sincerely hope that the situation in Iraq will improve soon, but I think this or the next administration will eventually cut and run and let Iraq fall into civil war.

@unhinged: re: "1. How many bloggers are blogging from Iraq?
2. How many MSM correspondents are currently reporting from Iraq?

This is a serious question.

Posted by: unhinged | June 11, 2006 at 11:56 PM"

If your question is serious, then start with Iraq the Model. The Fadhil Brothers give links to other MidEastern sites, and a list of Milblogs. Each of these gives links to yet OTHER blogs coming from Iraq and other places in the Middle East.

How many bloggers are blogging from Iraq? How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? The question is, "How many bloggers are blogging in a non-Arabic language?" The freedom to own a computer with an unmonitored Internet connection or go to an Internet cafe has taken Iraq by storm.

How many MSM correspondents are currently reporting from Iraq? How many can fit into the bars of the Green Zone hotels? And how many are actually reporting, and not just getting "stories" from stringers who just might have a pro-Saddam agenda?

@ Uhinged: "Now we're all in this big mess and nobody knows how to fix it. Of course, you can spin the news and pretend that everything will be fine and dandy real soon, but I don't buy that, I think it's just spin."

The best way to find out what's REALLY going on in Iraq is to ask Iraqis.

@unhinged: If you're really interested, this blog, here has a round-up of reactions to Zarqawi's death from a number of Iraqi and Jordanian bloggers. They seem pretty pleased by it all :).

unhinged, nice moniker.

"1. How many bloggers are blogging from Iraq?
2. How many MSM correspondents are currently reporting from Iraq?

This is a serious question.

Posted by: unhinged | June 11, 2006 at 11:56 PM"

If your question is serious, then start with Iraq the Model. The Fadhil Brothers give links to other MidEastern sites, and a list of Milblogs. Each of these gives links to yet OTHER blogs coming from Iraq and other places in the Middle East.

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Omar is great, now let us tie this in with another statement here
"you're just reading blogs and trying to spin the news."

http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2006/05/deliverate_or_a.html

According to Omar at Iraq The Model, a CNN report on May 27th that quoted Iraq's foreign minister about Iran's nuclear program seriously mistranslated the comments from Arabic to English.

Here is what CNN reported:

Iran has a right to develop nuclear technology and the international community should drop its demands that Tehran prove it's not trying to build a nuclear weapon, Iraq's foreign minister said Friday....

"Iran doesn't claim that they want to obtain a nuclear weapon or a nuclear bomb, so there is no need that we ask them for any guarantee now," Hoshyar Zebari said after meeting with his Iranian counterpart, Manouchehr Mottaki.


But Omar listened to the audio, and he says this is completely wrong. He supplies his own translation:

We respect Iran's and every other nation's right to pursue nuclear technology for research purposes and peaceful use given they accept [giving] the internationally required guarantees that this will not lead to an armament race in the region…
This is almost the polar opposite of what CNN reported, raising the dilemma of whether we trust Omar of Iraq the Model -- or the scion of Ted Turner. (Silly question.)
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So now a question for James W

How many Iraqi or MidEastern Blogger have YOU read and who is spinning/fabricating the News again?

Bloggers or the Legacy Media?

Opps sorry I should have asked that of unhinged I get the authors mixed up sometimes here.

I hastily assume what is between the two horizontal lines goes all together

TERRIBLY sorry for my mistake James.

@Dan Kauffman

Opps sorry I should have asked that of unhinged I get the authors mixed up sometimes here.

LOL

How many Iraqi or MidEastern Blogger have YOU read and who is spinning/fabricating the News again?

Well, maybe you can answer this question yourself.

Who is this Omar guy? What's his agenda? What makes you sure HE is not spinning the news?

This is almost the polar opposite of what CNN reported, raising the dilemma of whether we trust Omar of Iraq the Model -- or the scion of Ted Turner. (Silly question.)

A silly question indeed.

@LC Mamapajamas

If you're really interested, this blog, here has a round-up of reactions to Zarqawi's death from a number of Iraqi and Jordanian bloggers. They seem pretty pleased by it all :).

We're all pleased that this über-Islamo-fascist was finally killed.

I was talking about the reporting about Iraq in general. Which reports reflect the actual situation and which are fabricated/spin? Who can I trust and why?

No problem Dan. I've made that mistake many times myself.

Hey unhinged. Can you hear me outside my bubble? Well, anyway...

So, you're trying to dodge Dan's question by answering a question with a question. If you'd been a reader of Omar's blog (arguably the most popular English language blog in the ME), you also might be able to answer your own questions.

So, how many Iraqi or ME blogs do you frequent? Somebody like you, who has a well-rounded knowledge of what's happening inside Iraq, certainly has 2 or 3 favorites that you use to compare to what's being reported in our MSM--just to be thorough.

Hey I came across something that was not really discussed in the german media:

http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/de/fulltext/56392

Its about the foundation of the german foreign intelligence service - and its american involvement. I find it quite interesting, was this covered in the american media?

unhinged: The Haditha story is falling apart. Time has been forced to admit that they lied about the source of a video tape that they based most of their article on; the videotape actually came from a cameraman with insurgency ties, and the time and place it was made cannot be verified. Also, Time had previously claimed to be in posssession of a "bombshell" photo that they claimed would prove the charges beyond the shadow of a doubt. They have now been forced to admit that they don't have this photo, haven't seen it, and don't even know if it actually exists or not. Some of the "witnesses" are telling stories that are wildly inconsistent with each other, and it now turns out that one "witness" who made the most serious charges, was not there that day. Reuters was caught red-handed too; a photo that they labeled as being from Haditha was actually a previously published photo of Iraqi fisherman that had been executed by al-Q.

And now I note the "massacre-of-the-week" theme taking over the MSM. The Gaza beach shelling, which the American media was incredibly quick to blame on Israel, is now turning out to be an event staged by Hamas. They have no problem killing their own people if they can blame it on Israel, and the American MSM eagerly swallows the hook and runs with it based solely on a Hamas press release. No fact-checking whatsoever, as long as the story is the one that they want told.

@LCMPJ -
And how many are actually reporting, and not just getting "stories" from stringers who just might have a pro-Saddam agenda?

I'm not so quick to blame Baathists for the stringers' stories. The stringers know what sells - the media is there for stories of disaster. That's what they want, that's what they buy.

The best way to find out what's REALLY going on in Iraq is to ask Iraqis.

I'm a little surprised that you of all people omit the milbloggers in Iraq. Our troops are also on the ground, in touch with communities, and straying farther than the hotel swimming pool.


@Unhinged -
Who is this Omar guy? What's his agenda? What makes you sure HE is not spinning the news?

There are two authors, Omar and Mohammed. Their brother Ali used to post as well, but I haven't seen anything from him in a long time.

Try reading some of their stuff. It's heartfelt, written with clarity, and when you've read it for a little while you'll see that they're very candid in all things. Opinions are clearly labeled as such, and they communicate personal, subjective experiences as being such, rather than making claims about being representative of a nation-wide reality. There's no pretense there; their momma raised 'em right. Another good writer who posts all too infrequently these days is Alaa from The Messopotamian.

Which reports reflect the actual situation and which are fabricated/spin?

I have to agree with the others - the only way to find out for yourself is to read a few of these folks. Pay attention to what they say, and in time you'll get a feel for who's pushing what line. For example, Hammorabi initially was very positive and hopeful; as time wore on, he gradually became more negative and critical. I think his criticisms usually seem valid, but he's a bit of a sucker for the rumor mill if the rumor suits his preference. They only way I know that is by reading him regularly, comparing his commentary with that of a few others as well as the news, and making a personal judgement.

If you want others, the Iraq Blog Count isn't updated as frequently as it used to be, but will supply you with more than you can possibly have time to read.

Who is this Omar guy? What's his agenda? What makes you sure HE is not spinning the news?
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He is an Iraqi. His agenda has seemed to be Liberty, Freedom and Democracy for him, his family, and his nation.

He could be spinning the news, but in that part of the world spinning the news in a manner that folks who get their jolies blowing up children

Abu Musab al-Zarqaw RIH

Bombing in Iraq Kills Mostly Children

27 Die in Suicide Attack in Baghdad as U.S. Troops Hand Out Candy and Toys

By Andy Mosher and Khalid Alsaffar
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, July 14, 2005; Page A19

BAGHDAD, July 13 -- Inside the morgue at Kindi Hospital lay the remains of Amjad Kudeer. Flying shrapnel from a suicide car bomb struck him in the head and chest Wednesday, killing him instantly. He was 13.

Outside the door to the refrigerated room, Amjad's sobbing mother called his name over and over, as if trying to summon him back to life. Then she looked up and asked: "What did he do to deserve this? They are killing children. Why? Why?"


Falah Jabbar, his wife and their 4-day-old daughter arrive at a hospital in eastern Baghdad after they were wounded in a suicide bombing. (By Khalid Mohammed -- Associated Press)


Amjad and more than a dozen other children from east Baghdad's al-Khalij neighborhood made up the majority of the 27 people killed when a suicide bomber drove into a crowd that had gathered around U.S. soldiers who were handing out candy and small toys, police said. The attack also killed one soldier, according to the U.S. military, and wounded at least 50 people

CAN GET YOUR HEAD CUT OFF WITH A DULL KNIFE

So I would say that puts any spin he might make in a different light than probably anyone posting here.

Just recently I found out an article I lifted from an Iranian Blog was used in a White Paper by the Iran Policy Commitee who are not light weights,

The said truth is Winsteed, who wrote it has not posted for over 8 months in that part of the world it can mean something other than "got tired of blogging"

I wrote about it here.

The Seventh Seal

Here in the West some people whine and want to be treated like Martyrs because their CD sales fell off, other places those who support Democracy get gunned down in the streets and yes MAYBE some of the spin the news too.

So Omar sees things differently than CNN, I have not found CNN to be that accurate anyway, Hmm maybe a tad more than the NYTs. But that is not saying much since the NYT stand before Humanity for covering up what was once one of the largest examples of genocides in the History of the World.

They do some spinning themselves it seems like.

Let us all not to foget that CNN was the network which worked out a secret deal with Saddam so they could continue to broadcast from Iraq. Every thing they reported was approved by Saddam.

You now ask me to believe these people. Please!

It is unfortunate they are located in Atlanta.

For those who speak German.
Politically incorrect posted my analysis of a german newspaper article about Zarqawi, written by journalist Karim El-Gawhary.
This article contains "citations" from a report of the International Crisis Group on the "Resistance Groups" in Iraq. His translations are very extraordinary not to say false and so is the picture of Al Qaida in Iraq, he is painting. By the way, at the end of the article he cites a Jordanian journalist, describing Zarqawi as a serious religious person, not being able to organize the terror (everybody knows he did). You know that style: "Maybe it´s not my exact opinion, but HE means..."
http://myblog.de/politicallyincorrect/art/3770892#comm

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