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5 Million Dollar for 1 hostage, that makes 10 Million for 2 hostages. So far, prices are more or less stable.

And: "did press reports begin circulating that the German government had paid the kidnappers more than $10 million"

That means, Gedmin's comment is purely based on speculations in the mass media. What a source of information!

A small point, Reagan did not trade arms for hostages. He sold the arms to Iran for cash that was then sent to the Nicaraguan contras.

Iran released the hostages at the end of Carter's term, because they thought that Reagan would invade if the hostages were still held when he took office.

Germany really needs to take a look at crime around the world.

Kidnapping is rampant in countries where people pay off.

Kidnapping is very low in countries like the US, where people call the police.

If they REALLY WANT to put Germans in danger every time they go abroad, then by all means, keep paying off kidnappers. Soon Germans will not be able to travel ANYWHERE that's even remotely unstable. Which would mean pretty much all of Africa, South America and South Asia.

@Mike H.
A small point, Reagan did not trade arms for hostages. He sold the arms to Iran for cash that was then sent to the Nicaraguan contras.

Not that small a point but well put.

@Klops1
That means, Gedmin's comment is purely based on speculations in the mass media. What a source of information!

Ok. Whatever. Here is my problem. Look at the last sentence of Mike H. post
Iran released the hostages at the end of Carter's term, because they thought that Reagan would invade if the hostages were still held when he took office.

Damn straight.

Jimmy Carter was not just the worst president the U.S. has ever had. He is the worst president EUROPE has ever had. I don't begrudge the German gov't doing what it has to do in order to get their own home safe and sound. I know I cannot even imagine the heartache of their families.

Is it my place to ask Germans to demand of their gov't that no ransom be paid? Yes, it is. And this is why.

No one goes to Iraq in any capacity a clueless moron.
I don't care what country you belong to. All the German gov't has done is reward the thugs. I would have a different post if Germany had a military draft or some such thing that FORCED citizens to Iraq. But it doesn't.

Germany has put every person - especially Germans - in Iraq - in grave danger. Germany has paid off the thugs.

So. Rejoice in their return. But take some time to mourn those who the German gov't has condemned.


Moreover, the folly of the German government takes a very bad turn when one considers that the ransom money will be used to recruit, buy supplies, and enable more terrorist attacks in Iraq, killing or wounding not only scores of innocent civilians and Iraqi policemen, but also my countrymen, American GIs. And I have to pay taxes to this worthless excuse for a government. It makes me sick. Thanks a lot, Germany. With friends like this....
To coin a German phrase, I can't even eat as much as I want to throw up right now.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell, Scout. The German government had to know the consequences. I don't even feel outrage that much--maybe because I'm not surprised--it's simply pure disgust.

So true. It's not unlike their "being in denial" about globalization. The Germans really don't believe that they will ever have to come out of the comfort zone. It's the same way with the ransom. They're alone in the world. Their hostages first, nach uns der Sintflut.

I just want to be sure I understand what the standard is. When something is published in the newspapers and it fits the template of being anti-American, then it is to be believed.

If on the other hand something is published in the newspapers that might reflect poorly on the euros and especially the Germans then it is not to be believed.

Got it.

So the press reports about secret prisons the EU commission used as the bases for their report critical of the US were to be believed.

Germany paying a ransom, much like they did for Dear Susan, is not to be believed.

I want to thank you for clearing up the confusion.

Of course, since Germany did not have a terrorist to trade this time, it is also believable that more was paid.

I just wonder if the exchange was in dollars or in euros?

I seem to recall some stories awhile back that marked currency was found in the clothing of some hostage after they got back to their embassy and were cleaning up.

What ever came of that?

OT:

The Evolution of American Dance.

Of course it would help if I added the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg%20

Hi,

Sorry for being off-topic but I wanted to suggest a story idea for David and Ray. Take a look at the Spiegel online site today and check out the picture of George W. Notice anything? Has anybody else ever noticed that the almost never put a "nice" picture of him on their site? You should write something about it, because they do it all the time.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,grossbild-624792-415794,00.html

@TR

"Sorry for being off-topic but I wanted to suggest a story idea for David and Ray. Take a look at the Spiegel online site today and check out the picture of George W. Notice anything?"

Don't hold your breath. Bush Hysteria Syndrome has already been well-documented here at DMK. Bush became the designated fig leaf for America bashing the day he was elected. He's always been a convenient target, and lately he seems positively determined to play into the hands of our enemies. His latest poll numbers are so low (IMHO for very good reason) that even long-time friends of America are beginning to go wobbly. The poll numbers make it clear that many Americans, including myself, sympathize with the themes of much of the criticism from abroad. This makes it easy for anti-American propagandists of the ilk of hate peddlar Pitzke, the author of SPON's latest diatribe, to blur the line between constructive criticism and hate mongering. The difference is still obvious to anyone who bothers to look. Note, for example, the glaring disconnect between Spiegel’s breathless, sensationalist reporting on domestic spying in the US, and compare it with the laconic, matter-of-fact tone they take in reporting on domestic spying in Germany. These articles appeared within a week of each other.

Nevertheless, the already generous Bush fig leaf continues to grow. As the poll numbers show, few Americans are inclined to carry water for Bush. It is becoming increasingly difficult to resist propaganda attacks from abroad without appearing to do so. The usual rationalization of the America haters that "it's all about Bush" has never been easier. Few Americans are aware that cultivation of hate against America in the MSM of Germany and the rest of Europe hardly began with Bush. They don't realize that it will continue when he is gone. Only the fig leaf will change.

What to do? We must continue to unmask the haters. Bush is making it easy for them to play their game, but they can't hide. Their real motivation is too obvious.

Helian,
What the German media think they know about the problem that Bush is having and what is really going on are worlds apart. It's doubtful that the immigration debacle is impinging on their consciousness yet it's the main thing that has me fired up. I back Iraq, I'll back Iran, and I back the NSA. The media will have to stew in their hatred of 'Bush' when what they pray for doesn't come true.

The only other aspect of politics that gets me going at the moment is the high degree of gutlessness in the congress. Do you think that we can deport them to the EU? Will the EU even let them in the door? Maybe we can send them via Venezuela. I hate using that kind of weapon on former friends, makes me feel guilty.

@Mike H. Do you think that we can deport them to the EU? Will the EU even let them in the door? Maybe we can send them via Venezuela. I hate using that kind of weapon on former friends, makes me feel guilty.

ROFLMAO! Truly, that would be WAY too cruel to inflict on Eurasia (imagining Sen. Spector trying to explain the importance of not keeping track of terrorist activities to, say, the Spanish):D.

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