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Posted by: George M | April 08, 2006 at 03:34 PM

>The EU parliment is kind of the NECNN for old leftest politicians.
>Whenever a local MP gets beaten by a conservative, they seem to run
>again for the European Parliment.

"Hast Du einen Opa, schick ihn nach Europa." That's true for some, I guess.

>I have a notion that your example, Frauline Beer, dental office
>receptionist, probably peaked at her career as a Green Party
>politician in her native Schleswig Holstein. An old activist like
>her can get a second wind as a European Member of Parliment.

I'd like to draw your attention to the following:

Federal Chairwoman of Bündnis 90/Die Grünen (2002-2004)

Member of the Bundestag for Bündnis 90/Die Grünen (1987-1990; 1994-2002). Spokeswoman on defence policy (1994-2002).

Member of NATO Parliamentary Assembly (1987-1990; 1994-2002).

She was instrumental in ramrodding the German participation in the NATO intervention in Kosovo down the throats of the Greens. She was also instrumental in changing the Green stance on military intervention. I don't personally like her too much, but actually she also was instrumental in getting the Greens to agree to the German Forces in Afghanistan and the Horn of Africa. She made a lot of enemies in her own party and was denounced as a bellicist. As defense policy spokesperson she stood for transforming the BW into a professional army. She also was one of the two federal partyleaders of the Greens for two years.

Whether or not going to Europe as a career move this deponent sayth not, but the Greens always had weird policies about posts and ofiices. Just because somebody started out humbly in politics (as a 22-year old) doesn't say much about ability.

Her CV shows most of this. Did you use your agenda as fact-inverting filter or fact-evading blindfold?

Jörg

@Jörg,

There is a difference of opinion between most Americans and many Germans on whether the US is a nightmare come to life. I was expressing a possible (and very valid) German POV. The US thwarted Germany at two high points this century. Without the US Germany would be a superpower right now. No doubt of it at all!

@Don

Many more Americans visit Germany than Germans visit Americans

According to this site, there were about 1.5 million American tourists traveling to Germany in 2003. In 2004, according to this site, there were more than 1.3 million German tourists visiting the US. There are also a good number of American Studies programs (Amerikanistik) offered at German universities.

"I guess we can agree that the american climax of influence and raw might was reached in 1990, when the soviet union collapsed. Since that point, its constantly declining. Europe (including russia) turns away, China arises. And it can only come worse, what if some day japan realizes they start doing more buisness with china than with america?

The only region where america can actually "fight" for keeping its influence is the middle east. And even in that underdeveloped region, it doesnt fully work.
It will really be interesting to watch what they will try next."

And how does this square with your claim on another thread Dave that the US is operating world wide? You can't well operate in parts of the world where you have no influence!

"Maybe this simply results out of the fact, that the US are operating world wide and Iran is not? Its about WORLD peace, so that might be the reason for those results."

Where have professors of Logic in German universities gone, mate?

Posted by: Don | April 12, 2006 at 02:17 AM

>@Jörg,
>
>There is a difference of opinion between most
>Americans and many Germans on whether the US
>is a nightmare come to life. I was expressing
>a possible (and very valid) German POV. The
>US thwarted Germany at two high points this
>century. Without the US Germany would be a
>superpower right now. No doubt of it at all!

I'd rather put it that without Germany, Germany may have had a faint chance at aspiring to major power status. Dinnae fash yerself wi' any other interpretation.

As to the "possible" and "very valid" German POV, suffice it to say that that is you speaking, not any German. You are extrapolating from your bellybutton, i.e. your existential orientation and your weltanschauung. That is all very well, it is however quite contrafactual. It is a case of "Was ich selber denk und tu, trau ich allen anderen zu."

By and large, Germans may see the current US government as a danger, as do, obviously, quite a few other peoples, up to and including a fer bit of the "Coalition of the Willing", however, the USA and its people are still viewed upon very favourably by a majority of Germans. The "nightmare" qualitiy enters when one considers Gezücht like Gonzales, Delay, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Hughes and other current worthies. I understand that about 50% of the USAians do share these nightmares, now don't they?

Jörg

I understand that about 50% of the USAians do share these nightmares, now don't they

People who voted for Kerry last time? Naw. That amounts to no more than 30% of registered voters, some of whom are in the grave and incapable of having nightmares any more. Doesn't stop them from voting every four years of course.

No more than 15-20% view Bush as a 'nightmare'. The rest of the Kerry voters are about equally cynical about both men - but you gotta choose.

BTW, my weltan-schlong doesn't speak. Yours may but then it is unusually talented....

@Jörg

You are extrapolating from your bellybutton, i.e. your existential orientation and your weltanschauung.

I looked at this a little more carefully today, and I do believe Jörg just implied that I have a blackshirt mindset.

Thanks ever so much, dude - but I freely admit it. I live in London not far from Southhall and of a Sunday I'm fond of going down there to tar & feather a Muslim or two - or a reasonable fascimile thereof. You know what it's like - it's quite a mix down there & I might have gotten a Hindu or a Sikh. It comes with the profound stupidity which is part and parcel of my national heritage.

If Germans hold positive attitudes towards Amerika and Amerikans (sic) I've not been able to detect it these last five years come a certain insignificant anneversary falling in early fall. A completely insignificant date as far as much of Europe is concerned.....

Perhaps I simply need better instrumentation - an electron microscope might do it.....

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