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Gerrmany is a buy when the only good politician is the new chancellor.
That Müntefehring steps down is hardly a bad sign.
nahles is a bit like Howard Dean, strongly liberal but not very talented, nothing of the Schroeder kind.

Who needs Stoiber, the #1 schemer in the country?
Good riddance.

@ German.Will

If you call Nahles liberal, she would be offended.

She is actually the opposite of that, what we call liberal in Germany.
Guess what, the opposite is not conservative but socialistic. She is for higher taxes and a strong welfare state.
See " http://www3.liberale.de/ " the homepage of the pro business party in Germany

Nahles is a bit like Howard Dean, strongly liberal but not very talented, nothing of the Schroeder kind.

Actually Andrea Nahles is one of the most radical left wingers the SPD has to offer. Not the kind of " working class " social democrat Müntefering is, more the intellectual type. So far she spent all her life in schools, universities and parliaments and not one day with real work.
I doubt she will become General Secretary, I think her political career ended today, at least for now. Müntefering is too popular with many members of the SPD and they will not elect her at the party convention after she killed good old Münte.
However should Nahles and her friends from the left wing of the SPD control the party you can say goodbye to the great coalition. These people want a coaltion with the Green party and the Communists and if that really happens things would become pretty ugly. Could this happen ? Of course it could there is a clear majority in the parliament for such a coalition. Who's to blame for that ? Your " only good politician " Angela Merkel and her disastrous election campaign.

I personally hope for new elections in March without Merkel. All the CDU needs is a popular candidate like Christian Wulff and an election campaign with a positive message and they will win a landslide victory against a SPD without Schröder and Müntefering.

Bwahahahahaha!

The Lord of the Locusts has his Joschka Fischer moment!

With the retreat of their übervater the SPD is put on track for its transformation into the political kindergarten of the kind of the U.S. Democratic Party. With some luck, the rift between Müntefering and his party base will soon widen further than the distance between Stoiber and the Greens.

If then the SPD party convention in two weeks rejects the agreement for a Grand Coalition that Schröder and Müntefering have worked out, then the Greens will finally have to come back to the negotiation table and have to make a choice between a Jamaica Coalition and a Cuba Coalition.

Now Münteferings ambiguitity whether he will be available for a cabinet post or not extends to his counterweight Stoiber, but though there's no way back for Stoiber to Bavaria I don't think he'll loose much sleep over this. In a Jamaica Coalition, FDP and Greens will have to come to an agreement who supplies the foreign minister, and both of the smaller parties have their strengths in domestic portfolios, while the foreign office will need someone who can overhaul the relations to China and Russia.

Whether we might end up with a Cuba Coalition doesn't depend so much on how much the SPD party base is drifting to the left, but on which the direction the Greens will chose. And they cannot walk away from this choice, because new elections would make them drop out of the parliament.

@ Querdenker

“The US money from military bases does not even reach 0,1% of the German GDP.”

You are almost right, the US. contribution was only .003%. The German GDP was 2130 Billion last year. Check out this article at http://www.geocities.com/fhs6366/Frankfurt_closes.html

“According to a 1990 newspaper report, the U.S. military that year pumped $8 billion into the German economy, including jobs for approximately 170,000 Germans, nationwide.”

If you think that 8 Billion and 170,000 good paying jobs are trivial, so be it. However, look at the effect that American soldiers and their dependents have had on Frankfurt:

“As a result of the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the subsequent demise of the Iron Curtain and the Cold War, this thriving Germany city and financial center (Frankfurt)is now bereft of all but little more than 100 of the 60,000 Americans that little more than a decade ago constituted almost one-tenth of Frankfurt's population.”

Frankfurt lost 10% of its population when U.S. Forces moved down the road to Heidelberg!

Then again, you have to look at the general demise of Germany and why SPON, Schroeder and Company and other German moonbats berate the United States. According to the Economist:

“Germany's economy remains easily the biggest in Europe, larger by a third than Britain's or France's. But the mighty American economy is now five times as big as the German one, against 3.7 times in 1990, and the gap is widening. For the past eight years, the German economy has been the slowest-growing in the whole of the European Union, so in comparison with its peers it has lost ground. Recently, Germany has suffered the indignity of being formally reprimanded by the EU for letting its deficit get too big."

Need I say more?

So who was Müntefehring's candidate? Please feel free to educate/correct me - if I'm reading this correctly, there is basically a far-left coup attempt going on in the SPD? Hm, too bad Joschka is honeymooning in Rome - he could probably give them pointers. On the other hand, some would consider it suspicious timing. ;-)

@tachauch,
There's a translatioon mistake on your part. You say:
"She is actually the opposite of that, what we call liberal in Germany."

The German word "liberal" means "libertarian" in the USA.
The American word "liberal" [sprich: libbräl] means "links".
So we mean the same thing.

@tachauch,
There's a translatioon mistake on your part. You say:
"She is actually the opposite of that, what we call liberal in Germany."

The German word "liberal" means "libertarian" in the USA.
The American word "liberal" [sprich: libbräl] means "links".
So we mean the same thing.

(Sorry for the double post)

JT,
I agree with what you say, too.
As talented as Merkel is, she blew the campaign.
But a softie like Wulff (certainly much more popular, largely because he never says anything of importance) wouldn't be the right man at the top now.
I doubt, he'll ever be.

Don't blame Angela Merkel for the leftist majority in this country, if you absolutely need somebody to blame, blame the German will. Her lead in the polls last spring was only because Red-Green had treated the media like dreck all along and it was payback time, not because the media accepted that she had been right on Iraq.

When he was elected the first time, Bush also stood against a leftist majority, Democrats and Greens. Here it's SPD plus PDS with the Greens sitting on the fence. Müntefering might have been a stability strongman in the SPD just like Saddam was in Iraq, but without rocking the boat neither Germany nor the Middle East would have any chance to develop anywhere.

If Saddam was still there, the Middle Eastern dictators would hate each other much more than they do now, but Europe would be much closer allied with them. If Müntefering was still there, the socialists of SPD and PDS would hate each other much more than they do now, but the Greens would be much closer to them.

I hope we can go through this rocking of the boat period without terrorist attacks.

BTW, Joschka Fischer married the daughter of a survivor of the Berlin Mykonos restaurant attack (in which Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was a participant) to have a good PR stunt at hand for the case that Bush fails. She could be his daughter, but they are so convinced that Bush might fail...

@ German.Will

O.K. German.Will. But what means the German word "libertär" in English? Is there another word? I don't think so.
Look http://dict.leo.org/?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&relink=on&sectHdr=on&spellToler=std&search=liberal !
Is it like the Germam "Billion" means trillion in American English. I think the mistake is more in the American-English language. I would describe the American constitution as liberal like the German
as well because of a lot of freedom rights. How would you the describe the American constitution?

In Germany, the term "republican" has very little to do with republican ideas, instead it is a self-description of nutty big-government old-school isolationists.

The same goes for "liberals" in the United States - maybe it would be appropriate to call them LINOs, Liberals-in-name-only...

@tachauch

1 "libertär" is somewhat outdated and rarely used.
In sexual terms I would translate it with "promiscuous" but it refers rather to the intellectual mindset behind it.
You have to ask an Achtundsechziger about it ;)

2. Leo.org is a dangerous website.
Just like the dictionary of the ZTU Chemnitz it pretends to translate into both American and British English, but almost all the translations are British.

3. I believe that until FD Roosevelt the American word "liberal" meant something similar to the German use now, but after that it was used for the left only.
I don't think Americans would describe their constitution these days as liberal but in the 18th century probably.

@tachauch and German Will:

I believe your take on it is correct; in the U.S., "liberal" means what you call socialist. This meaning seems to be unique to the English-speaking countries. It does appear that on the Continent, the various words that translate to "liberal" are actually more like what we call "liberatarian"; that is, someone whose main political concern is preservation of individual rights and free markets. I think the current American use of the word "liberal" goes back to the late 1960s, when the word came to describe the socialist philosophy represented by George McGovern. (McGovern was nominated as the Democratic candidate for President in 1972, to run against Richard Nixon. McGovern lost in a landslide; it was one of the most one-sided Presidential elections in U.S. history. Despite this, his ideas quickly took over the Democratic Party.)

The U.S. Democratic Party today is made up mostly of what we call "liberals", that is, socialists and assorted other leftists. Over the past fifteen years or so, those who would describe themselves as "liberatarian" have mostly moved over to the Republican Party. You can roughly divide the Republicans into two groups: the libertarians, and the "communitarians" (often referred to as the "Christian right", although not all of them are practicing Christians). The primary concerns of the communitarians are the maintaining of an orderly society and the preservation of communities. Unlike most of Europe, in the American system, it is very difficult for third parties to gain influence, and right now there are no third parties of any consequence. So anyone who wants to make a difference in politics has to join up with either the Democrats or the Republicans.

@ German.Will

The direct translation of "promiscuous" would be "promisk" or "wahllos vögelnd". I never heard the word "libertär in a sexual" context, although it would make a bit sense to connect it to "promisk".

Leo.org normally indicates whether there is a difference between British English and American English. Try the word "Zentrum".

I suppose that you understand German. So you can try "Libertarismus" and "Liberalismus" on Wikipedia.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarismus
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalismus


I guess even the CDU/CSU especially the CSU would be regarded as "liberal" in the USA, if you don't consider their attitude to gay marriage or abortion. I think the CDU/CSU is for a stronger social security than the Democrats.

@ German.Will

The direct translation of "promiscuous" would be "promisk" or "wahllos vögelnd". I never heard the word "libertär in a sexual" context, although it would make a bit sense to connect it to "promisk".

Leo.org normally indicates whether there is a difference between British English and American English. Try the word "Zentrum".

I suppose that you understand German. So you can try "Libertarismus" and "Liberalismus" on Wikipedia.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarismus
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalismus


I guess even the CDU/CSU especially the CSU would be regarded as "liberal" in the USA, if you don't consider their attitude to gay marriage or abortion. I think the CDU/CSU is for a stronger social security than the Democrats.

@ German.Will

The direct translation of "promiscuous" would be "promisk" or "wahllos vögelnd". I never heard the word "libertär in a sexual" context, although it would make a bit sense to connect it to "promisk".

Leo.org normally indicates whether there is a difference between British English and American English. Try the word "Zentrum".

I suppose that you understand German. So you can try "Libertarismus" and "Liberalismus" on Wikipedia.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarismus
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalismus

I guess even the CDU/CSU especially the CSU would be regarded as "liberal" in the USA, if you don't consider their attitude to gay marriage or abortion. I think the CDU/CSU is for a stronger social security than the Democrats.

One last word on leo.org.
It's a pretty good website for BRITISH English, trust me on that, I am a translator.
But even when they pretend to know about the differences between the UK and the US they don't.
The same goes for the tu.chemnitz website.

With books like the PONS-series it's a little better, but PONS.de makes the same mistakes as other websites.

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