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Racker, that's as idiotic as it is mistaken. On the other hand, according to some of the other posters like-minded with you, no nation has any friends. Only business partners. And some with more business than others.

Dave/Ray: Good story. Unfortunately, I expect less than nothing out of the present German gov't. Things can only get better in that respect.

Londoners are socialists like most Europeans, and socialists are lame weasels. They will be crying and whining, but they won't retaliate. It will be Bush and Blair's fault, or Sharon's. The most violent thing a Londoner is capable of is throwing stones at a Macdo resto.

Muslims know this. They are free to do whatever they want in Europe. None has the balls the fight them. Pathetic.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims and all the British people. I hope that we understand that this is not an attack on Britain only, but on all freedom-loving countries. The Western countries have to stand together in the fight against terrorism. United we stand, divided we fall.

My first post doesn't make much sense now, as Racker has been deleted. Trust me on this everyone, I really am not out of my mind.
@Thomas: "...socialists are lame weasels." I won't dispute that, but as far as the rest, it was a raTHer vernichtende Urteil. I like to give the Brits a little more credit, I think they have earned and deserve it.
My thoughts and prayers go out to those affected. And as far as the perpetrators, my God have mercy on their souls, because my friends and I would like to arrange the meeting.

This comment from Blair:

"It is particularly barbaric that this has happened on a day when people are meeting to try to help the problems of poverty in Africa, the long-term problems of climate change and the environment,"

Well, this doesn't really apply to the US now does it. Zero compromise on climate change (after all, what has Blair done to help Bush lately) and no debt relief for Africa, and no promises of the %age of GDP donation, like the Europeans have promised.

Well, IMHO you got it half right.

Terrorism must be contained and fought. Period. Unfortunately, however, terrorism is not easily located. We might know the names, but do we know whom to bomb?

The western world, such as there is, must both remember that it has ideals to protect as well as citizens. By no means must we allow ourselves to sink into an all-out-war state and forego the achievements of our civilisations, which are the hallmarks that differentiate us from those who attack us.

Recent history has shown quite clearly, that fighting "terrorism" in Iraq has not helped in any way to end put forward both by you and me, it has in fact created new threats. That is unfortunate. The events in London have given the most eloquent evidence of that. But I sincerely hope it is not too late to reconsider, and actually go after the real terrorists this time.

Germans have learned that one lessons: Do not blindly follow the flag. One "total war" was quite enough. The burdens Germany has shouldered in 50 years of Cold War and the fact that, despite all it´s limitiations, German Armed Forces are at this moment present in at least two major peace-keeping missions in the Balkans and Afghanistan, show quite clearly that they will follow the flag in a just cause.

Who wants to sow the terrorist´s seed of disunity among those that should be friends and allies. Do not allow them this victory, let alone help them in achieving that!

sorry for double posting. typepad keeps giving me timeouts, which seem prompts the browser to double-post. Please feel free to delete the extra posting,

Sorry for the inconvenience,

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I hate to be cynical, but I don't think this will do much to continental Europe. The bombing in Madrid changed nothing in Europe, so I doubt this will either.

I think the French and some Germans are thinking right now, better them than me. And I bet some are actually calculating how they'll blame Bush and or Blair (and certainly Sharon) for this.

My heart is saddened by this day and I am so angry at the terrorist barbarians for what they've done to the British people. I can barely express just how angry I am.

If the western world cannot unite after 9-11, 3-11 and now this, nothing but a nuclear bomb going off in Paris or Berlin would do it.

Tina

You're right - that is precisely the reaction I'm getting from German friends: "well, what did they expect?"

@Duckiputz

"but do we know whom to bomb"

Man, just go out for once. Watch their looks in trams, in buses, in streets, in pubs, in theaters, in shops, everywhere. If you dare, because you wouldnt' even dare to look them in the eyes. They are laughing at you, not behind your back, but right in your face. And if you try to talk to them, they steal another cigarette from you, because they know you would never dare to say NO to them.

What do you mean, you don't know who they are? They have identified themselves a 1000 times while you still didn't want to believe it, you don't want to know that some ideology hates you, no matter how much you appease and try to help or understand them.

Leftism has created a situation where the strongest countries in the world are "attacked" by a bunch of barbarians. Clearly identified, the religion of peace. And nobody dares to defend themselves. Not even in words. What a joke is this they must be thinking. When will there be an offense instead of this lame defensive action ???

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late
With long arrears to make good,
When the English began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy-willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the English began to hate.

Their voices were even and low,
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show,
When the English began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd,
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud,
When the English began to hate.

It was not suddenly bred,
It will not switftly abate,
Through the chill years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the English began to hate.

- Kipling 1914

God Bless

@Gavin

Of course not, the USA is not completely filled with idiots who waste their time with that kind of 12-year old's voodoo crap.

@ Thomas

"Of course not, the USA is not completely filled with idiots who waste their time with that kind of 12-year old's voodoo crap."

Look ladies and gentlemen, what eloquence and power of persuasion. Why, you might just be the next Preznit of the USA.

@Tina,
"The bombing in Madrid changed nothing in Europe". Not exactly. It changed the course of the elections in Spain, and Spain withdrew immediately its troops from Iraq. A rather important change from the viewpoint of the terrorists...
@Duckiputz,
"Recent history has shown quite clearly, that fighting "terrorism" in Iraq has ....in fact created new threats... The events in London have given the most eloquent evidence of that."
Thanks for giving me a foretaste for what I can expect to read in the MSM the coming days. Especially your suggestion that the coalition is not fighting terrorism but merely "terrorism" is highly illuminating. Probably you will be very satisfied if the UK as soon as possible withdraws its troops from Iraq.

@Gavin: Seems to me you're concentrating on saying things right instead of saying the right things. The truth is, no matter how eloquently you wish to express it, the global warming mafia has absolutely no concrete evidence to support the alleged wisdom of their proposed courses of action e.g. Kyoto. Thomas' "voodoo crap" was short, unrefined.... but accurate. Please see Junk Science and the "consequence" thread for more... we don't need to rehash it AGAIN here.

Indeed Scout, and that may be one good thing that comes from the attacks : the do-gooders have lost another opportunity to spend even more tax money on their junk science and kyoto-global-warming-hoax !

perfect. we already have german commenters demonstrating the inability to throw aside the the doublespeak indoctrination that passes for thinking over there.
ray, i am surprised that you think that germany or any number of european groups will cast aside their ideological harnesses and respond meaningfully to this latest provocation in britain.
it will be much easier and more satisfying to blame the anglo-saxons and jews for these problems.
as for your pathetic forces in afghanistan and the balkans, they are appreciated for what they are but they are also recongized as tokens. get off your kiesters and completely take over the afghani campaign or have the decency leave the comments to people who actually do something besides rip up and down the streets and intimidate shop keepers.

@ Duckiputz:

"Recent history has shown quite clearly, that fighting "terrorism" in Iraq has not helped in any way to end put forward both by you and me, it has in fact created new threats. That is unfortunate."

I think you are totally wrong. We have forced Al-Qaeda to direct its resources to Iraq and we are fighting and beating them there. That Iraq has "created new threats" is something that the appeasement movement has invented to justify their defeat and retreat mentality. Removing Saddam Hussein and opening a front for democracy in the Middle East is the best long-term method to eliminate the threat of fanatical terrorism.

I also think it is absolutely disgusting that you compare the war on terror to Nazi aggression in the Second World War, something that the Angry Left in Germany has done time and again. It is this sort of warped thinking that has robbed the left and appeasement supporters around the world of any credibility. If something deserves to be compared to the total war aggression of the Nazis, then it is the total war that is being waged against innocents in iraq and London by the disciples of Al-Qaeda.

Terror has to be stopped. However we mustn't let the terrorists take control of our deeds and our goals. The most scaring indirect effect of terrorism is the growing limitation of the freedom of the people of the so-called free world, due to politicians going too far in their fight against terror.

"We must confront and crush terror anywhere and everywhere it manifests itself [...]" is written above. Aggressive language is an expression of the willingness to take extreme measures and that will do no good. You cannot fight violence with violence, fear and vengeance. You will never stop terrorists from killing innocent people, but you can stop innocent people from becoming terrorists.

@No Name: It depends on what you mean by extreme measures. Going out to hunt down and kill terrorists before they have the chance to kill innocent people is not on my list of extreme measures. Neither is putting the squeeze on nations that support international terrorism. On the other hand, nuking Damascus would probably be classified as extreme. But we in the West need to be willing to use _all the instruments of national power_ to defeat this enemy, and your quote
"...but you can stop innocent people from becoming terrorists."
is part of it. You're right. It's one of the reasons Iraq is so important. Give people liberty, give them a future without tyranny give them a voice in their own governance, and you take away a lot of the desperation that drives people into the hands of the Wahabbis and the Islamo-fascists.

We need to drop the infantile fantasy that open advocacy of violence against us must be protected free speech. We are harvesting the fruits of a half century of refusing to accept a connection between advocacy and action.
Islam needs either to purge her own ranks of Jihadists and openly punish the, or accept the distrust of the world against their ranks.

The British have tolerated islamists for too long. Finsbury Park mosque is still operating. Muslim extremists are openly calling for jihad. "Moderate" muslims have pressured the government towards making criticism of islam a criminal offence. Like most Europeans, the British hoped to be spared by appeasing islam. This strategy has failed. When will our governments learn?

"Aggressive language is an expression of the willingness to take extreme measures and that will do no good.

Mr. anonymous, I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. Where did I suggest ANYONE limit democratic freedoms? Thomas Jefferson once said that "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." We must be forever vigilant and aggressive in our fight against terror while maintaining the integrity of our democracy and spreading democracy to oppressed peoples.

"You cannot fight violence with violence, fear and vengeance."

Sadly, that is what far too many Jews believed during World War II. Those who took up arms and VIOLENTLY repulsed and defeated Fascism were the ones who ultimately put an end to the Nazi terror. In today's world, we must put an end to Islamic terror. And believe me, you won't end Al-Qaeda terror by trying to negotiate with people like Al-Zarqawi who kidnap and behead totally innocent civilians. These people only understand the language of the sword and the rifle.

"Recent history has shown quite clearly, that fighting "terrorism" in Iraq has not helped in any way to end put forward both by you and me, it has in fact created new threats."

Dead wrong. We learned on 9/11 that the threat already exists. You can bury your head in the sand, if you like, or even allow your hatred of your political enemies to lead you into cheerleading for the islamist nutters, but don't expect us to take this sort of idiot sermon seriously.

I think you are totally wrong. We have forced Al-Qaeda to direct its resources to Iraq and we are fighting and beating them there.

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So the Iraqis are facing daily terrorist attacks , because America forced the terrorists to direct their resources to Iraq.
I guess you're right Ray D., because there were no terrorist attacks in Iraq before the inavasion, but to tell you the truth : As an Iraqi I would hate the United States for making my country the battleground for their war against terrorists.

Our governments will not learn because there are too many out there who only see our "crimes" in this global war on terror

Make no mistake - europe today, including the UK, is FILLED with people who feel they have brought this upon themselves

self loathing idiots who will never see the danger we face

God bless the victims of this terrorist outrage and let us hope that Blair can yet again focus his great nation on the task at hand and beat back the appeasers

How to end terrorism in Iraq?
Maybe an easy way would be to send French and German troops
to Iraq, because the strategy of the terrorists is to divide the western world.
So, France and Germany have the keys in their hands to end it.
Nice thought ...
Thorwald

@ A.J.

Yeah, after all, Iraq was so much better-off before the US arrived, RIGHT? And off course what Saddam did wouldn't fit yor definition of "terror" now would it?

Anybody here want to let Turkey into the EU now?

Good lord.

@Gavin,

Well, this doesn't really apply to the US now does it. Zero compromise on climate change (after all, what has Blair done to help Bush lately) and no debt relief for Africa, and no promises of the %age of GDP donation, like the Europeans have promised.

1) You have to argue that aid actually helps. There is little support to show Africa is any better off now than 10 years ago. There are world known economists who feel that trade NOT aid is the way to help the 3rd world.
2) Pity that Germany imports almost nothing from the 3rd world, the USA being the largest (and big on per capita). And that Europe can't even reduce the CAP (good old France with lapdog Schröder) to allow 3rd world imports to get a foothold.
3) Europe is quite apt in going back on their words as well. Remember the donar promises about Bam, Iran following the earthquake there? What is the status of that $$$ Germany was going to give after the Tsunami? Whilst the US was on the spot with precious few helicopters from our capable military providing aid and support within days. Maybe those Ukranian transport are free again? My point: the $$$ the US Military spent will never be calculated as aid.
4) Bush may not budge on climate change, but were you aware that California is considering abiding by the Kyoto protocol? You see, in America, not everything needs to go through the federal government as in Germany. States DO have independace from the Fed, few Germans understand this. Additionally, have you heard that NZ is considering pulling out of Kyoto? They feel that it's "fatally flawed."

@Gavin,

Well, this doesn't really apply to the US now does it. Zero compromise on climate change (after all, what has Blair done to help Bush lately) and no debt relief for Africa, and no promises of the %age of GDP donation, like the Europeans have promised.

1) You have to argue that aid actually helps. There is little support to show Africa is any better off now than 10 years ago. There are world known economists who feel that trade NOT aid is the way to help the 3rd world.
2) Pity that Germany imports almost nothing from the 3rd world, the USA being the largest (and big on per capita). And that Europe can't even reduce the CAP (good old France with lapdog Schröder) to allow 3rd world imports to get a foothold.
3) Europe is quite apt in going back on their words as well. Remember the donar promises about Bam, Iran following the earthquake there? What is the status of that $$$ Germany was going to give after the Tsunami? Whilst the US was on the spot with precious few helicopters from our capable military providing aid and support within days. Maybe those Ukranian transport are free again? My point: the $$$ the US Military spent will never be calculated as aid.
4) Bush may not budge on climate change, but were you aware that California is considering abiding by the Kyoto protocol? You see, in America, not everything needs to go through the federal government as in Germany. States DO have independace from the Fed, few Germans understand this. Additionally, have you heard that NZ is considering pulling out of Kyoto? They feel that it's "fatally flawed."

@Pamela

Anybody here want to let Turkey into the EU now?

Good lord.

Ironically, it's Blair who's pushing for it. Not Mugabe hugging Chirac.

"I guess you're right Ray D., because there were no terrorist attacks in Iraq before the inavasion, but to tell you the truth : As an Iraqi I would hate the United States for making my country the battleground for their war against terrorists."

It's amazing the extent to which people (and I mean to include all sides of politics) see what they want to see. This poster is apparently unaware that Iraq under Hussein was a vicious police state that routinely used abduction, torture, rape, murder, and, at least once, attempted genocide, as tools to keep the people of Iraq tamped down. The body count from Hussein's unmarked mass graves stands at 300,000 and counting. "No terrorist attacks in Iraq before the invasion"? Sure, the place was Bondi Beach without the bikinis.

With this poster's perspective, it must be perplexing indeed that the Iraqis on the whole seem rather happier to have been relieved of Hussein, despite having an occupying force in their country and having to endure ongoing islamonutter suicide warfare.

@Gavin,

Well, this doesn't really apply to the US now does it. Zero compromise on climate change (after all, what has Blair done to help Bush lately) and no debt relief for Africa, and no promises of the %age of GDP donation, like the Europeans have promised.

1) You have to argue that aid actually helps. There is little support to show Africa is any better off now than 10 years ago. There are world known economists who feel that trade NOT aid is the way to help the 3rd world.
2) Pity that Germany imports almost nothing from the 3rd world, the USA being the largest (and big on per capita). And that Europe can't even reduce the CAP (good old France with lapdog Schröder) to allow 3rd world imports to get a foothold.
3) Europe is quite apt in going back on their words as well. Remember the donar promises about Bam, Iran following the earthquake there? What is the status of that $$$ Germany was going to give after the Tsunami? Whilst the US was on the spot with precious few helicopters from our capable military providing aid and support within days. Maybe those Ukranian transport are free again? My point: the $$$ the US Military spent will never be calculated as aid.
4) Bush may not budge on climate change, but were you aware that California is considering abiding by the Kyoto protocol? You see, in America, not everything needs to go through the federal government as in Germany. States DO have independace from the Fed, few Germans understand this. Additionally, have you heard that NZ is considering pulling out of Kyoto? They feel that it's "fatally flawed."

@Ray

Ray, I wish that were true, but current events and history show that that approach just does not work. Unfortunately (and I mean that) the situation is deteriorating and moving further from being resolved daily.

That´s what I wanted to say by asking if we knew who to bomb... an attrition strategy does not seem to work with insurgents of any style.

In case you do not accept that, check for Gen. Westmoreland´s views on how Vietnam could have been concluded and how it was not won.

Only a concerted effort of both eliminating the sources and the perpetrators will work, "getting them out in the open" is an approach that will not work and hasn´t before. We need to keep a cool head. It´s bad enough to be up against a delusional enemy, your own side at least should keep their marbles. The troopers wasted in Iraq would have been put to much better use in Afghanistan (´cause there the enemy was, for once, out in the open), and we all would have been saved all the hullabaloo on WMDs and Saddam and whatnot.

great article ray and david.
already the islamist-appeasers and apologists have come out to somehow blame this on america.
some people simply dont get that terrorists hate everything about us. our freedom, our wealth, our whole way of life.
i hope that the english will be more steadfast than the spanish who bend over backwards to appease the terrorists after the madrid attack.
i wonder what will happen when the first bombs hit germany, a weak nation with no resolution whatsoever. this is a war and we will have to do our part to win.


@duckiputz

Recent history has shown quite clearly, that fighting "terrorism" in Iraq has not helped in any way to end put forward both by you and me, it has in fact created new threats. That is unfortunate. The events in London have given the most eloquent evidence of that. But I sincerely hope it is not too late to reconsider, and actually go after the real terrorists this time.

Do you have ANY evidence to support this?

I agree that Bush/Blair should have finalised the beating of OBL in Afganistan B4 taking our intelligence/military/intellectual capital off that threat and finally dealing with Saddam. But has it created MORE? Difficult to estabilish this argument, but I'd like to hear your thoughts...


@duckiputz

Recent history has shown quite clearly, that fighting "terrorism" in Iraq has not helped in any way to end put forward both by you and me, it has in fact created new threats. That is unfortunate. The events in London have given the most eloquent evidence of that. But I sincerely hope it is not too late to reconsider, and actually go after the real terrorists this time.

Do you have ANY evidence to support this?

I agree that Bush/Blair should have finalised the beating of OBL in Afganistan B4 taking our intelligence/military/intellectual capital off that threat and finally dealing with Saddam. But has it created MORE? Difficult to estabilish this argument, but I'd like to hear your thoughts...

@anonymous

"However we mustn't let the terrorists take control of our deeds and our goals."

You can get me really pissed off with that kind of BS. Do you really think the terrorists want you to nuke Mecca ? Because that's what's on a lot of people's minds at this moment. YOU are doing exactly what they expect of you : talking BS and pretending to understand the situation, and continuously evading the real question : the ideology of islam is attacking you and everything you stand for, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT ? They want you to give in and give them everything they want, because they know you will not try to stop them. You are already giving in at this very moment.

"The most scaring indirect effect of terrorism is the growing limitation of the freedom of the people of the so-called free world, due to politicians going too far in their fight against terror."

Who said anything about limitation of OUR freedoms ?? THEIR freedoms you mean ? The American Japs were in camps also during WWII, is that so surprising to you ? I have nothing against foreigners, but this isn't some un-identifiable group we are talking about. It is quite clear: islam is the cause, so islam has to be dealt with. And stop talking about "militant islam", there is no other.

"But has it created MORE? Difficult to estabilish this argument, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.."

Of course it created more because before the War On Terror there were no terrorist attacks, besides the constant attacks in the 70s, 80s, 90s of course.

I found it somewhat "funny" when during the press conference with the British police authorities (?), as one journalist asked the question: "Do you think this attack is founded in islamic terrorism?" the spokesman almost cut his words by saying something like: "First of all, I do not think that the Islamic faith and acts like these can be brought in connection. It is not according to the Islamic faith to do such things". Well, that's funny in so far because the journalist didn't ask him about his religious beliefs, but whether this COULD BE ISLAMIC TERRORISM. But obviously, even within some highly responsible positions in Britain, there is no such thing as "Islamic terrorism". I see, that people might get this notion is just a bad coincidence caused by the unfortunate fact that all those who perputrate those acts happen to call themselves true Muslims.

The journalist was not condemning Islam, but instead just using the term "Islamic terrorism". And hit me in the behind if there is no such thing. To deny this is the same thing like we have in Germany here - tolerating extremist islamic believes, letting extremists teach school-children extremist believes in locked GERMAN school rooms, ignoring violence and cultural murders in extremist Islamic communities in this country as far as possible, demonstrating in support of those groups killing innocent people in Iraq and Israel, letting *them* make outrages comments and claims about the christian society, all while we are told to keep our mouths shut, and then wondering when some bus or train blows up in our cities.

When people believe they are safe from the wolves just by ignoring them, they are badly mistaken. Eyes closed and saying "Go away!" is not going to work here.

Hate creates terrorism, not poverty.

There should be a long term strategy to fight this hatred among the people, often they are anti-American and anti-Semitic, often they call themselves muslims, they live also in the West.

But at the same time there has to be a strategy for now: a stronger violence than their violence. We shouldn't be afraid of hateful cowards. These people are mass murderers. Only more violence can stop them. We have to be fearless, courageous, strong and - we have to stay together.

I am ready to give up some liberty to hunt them down. I don't care for controls when we can find them. I don't care if there are video cameras in the stations when we can watch them planning new attacks.

We should not weaken strong leaders like Bush and Blair and Sharon. We should support them UNITED.

These terrorists killed also muslims. There is no fight against the West. It is a fight against innocent people no matter what religion they have. It is a gang of global criminals.

They are full of hate, they don't love, they don't like others, they are only justified when they kill others. Then they feel superior and strong. That's how cowards live. They cover their own unimportance with criminal acts.

In the post:

"It won't be enough for the German Chancellor to promise total solidarity today and then see the German people turn their backs on their friends in a matter of weeks when things get rough."

@ Ray,
please specify what you mean with "turn their backs" on their friends within "weeks."

You know that Germany still has many many troops in Afghanistan. In fact, you honored the sacrifice of two Bundeswehr soldiers recently... I think there are 2000 Bundeswehr soldiers in Afghanistan right now. Who has more troops?

Germany supports the US in Enduring Freedom. And the German Interior Ministry and the Department for Homeland Security have cooperated very closely in the war on terror in recent years. Tom Ridge has praised German support in the war against terror many times...

atlanticus,
this is all true, but I have the feeling, that Schröder regrets very much that he declared solidarity with the US after 9/11. If he could, he would withdraw Germany's soldiers from Afgahnistan.

Scout, if killing people is not on your list of extreme measures, what is? Does killing terrorists even the score? Will it shorten the way to heaven for the victims of today's attacks in London? In case you're from the USA you'll certainly be familiar with the discussion about death penalty. The difference between a murderer and a terrorists is small concerning their crimes. The arguments for and against death penalty can be applied in this discussion as well. Except that taking a mass murderer's life doesn't make him a martyr inspiring a dozen of others to follow his example.

You call droping nukes on cities extreme. Well, your also calling for "_all the instruments of national power_" to be used against terrorism. The US and probably the UK are able to blast the whole planet with thousands of nukes. Using all instruments would mean... You can't be serious about that.

I agree with you that freedom is the probably most important step towards peace, though bombing the (Iraqi) countryside appears not to be the way of choice in order to establish freedom. In the future their should be some way of promoting freedom without that.

@atlanticus,

Frankly, 2000 troups is a joke for the world's thrid largest economy. Your military is professional and deserves all the credit for being there. Gemany's support of its military is weak. Your military spending is a joke.

I am sick of bowing to the socalled German contribution. Germany has been obstructionists from the get-go. And if your country really wanted to help the contribution would look different. There would be a huge budget to do it with. As it is your economy is waning and soon the Brits GDP will surpass yours.

Karl Rove said:

"Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said: we will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said: we must understand our enemies. Conservatives see the United States as a great nation engaged in a noble cause; liberals see the United States and they see … Nazi concentration camps, Soviet gulags, and the killing fields of Cambodia."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/24/AR2005062400097.html

@ Gabi
"If he could, he would withdraw Germany's soldiers from Afgahnistan."

What makes you think, he cannot withdraw our troops? We are sovereign country, you know...

Germany has expanded its commitment to Afghanistan. We had the command of ISAF. We have based troops beyond Kabul, i.e. Provincial Reconstruction Teams (PRT). Recently we have sent the Special Forces back to Afghanistan to hunt Bin Laden, since the US still has not found the 9/11 mastermind...


@ Trish
"Germany has been obstructionists from the get-go"

Please mention one example of Germany being obstructionist regarding Afghanistan.


Regarding the German defense budget. Well, the US budget is HUGE, but what have you achieved? You haven't found Bin Laden, you still haven't defeated the Iraqi insurgency. Somalia and Vietnam were not exactly a success either. My point is: Money isn't everything, especially in the war on terror.

@ Gabi
Re Karl Rove quote: Many US soldiers consider themselves as liberal. You and Karl Rove insult them. They risk and often sacrifice their lives for their country and Karl Rove ridicules them. That's unpatriotic!


Why is everything in Italics now? My fault? I am sorry, if it is. I just wanted to put a quote in Italics...

Many US soldiers consider themselves liberal?

Define many please

@Gabi

"I am ready to give up some liberty to hunt them down"

You won't have to, but THEY sure as hell will !!

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