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I confess: I had Che's picture in my bedroom as a teenager... :-(

Killers are cute. Mass murderers are hip. Psychopaths are cuddly. The coolest dude will be the biohacker who engineers a pathogen in his basement and then releases it to kill a billion or so humans. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout, you friggin' morons.

@Gabi: Shocked, shocked I am. For my part, I've been considering getting one of those Viva la Reagan Revolucion T-shirts for my oldest so he doesn't get any wacky ideas...

i recently saw some hippie wearing a "us world domination tour" t-shirt. i will be in New york in a couple of weeks, does anybody know a t-shirt store that sells those viva la reagan revolution or USMC shirts?

I have seen two Che stickers on cars recently. One was opposite a Kerry/Edwards campaign bumper sticker. The other had pride of place between two Bush bashing bumper stickers. Go figure what these people are thinking.

Scout, I hope you can forgive me. I didn't know any facts, I just liked the picture. I was really silly and not informed.

Teenagers are generally exempt from damnation.
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@nimrod..
I think if you go to the national review web site, www.nationalreview.com, you can find one.

A communist wearing a T-shirt of Che is like a neo-nazi wearing a T-shirt of Goebles.

Be a man, if you like communism, wear a Stalin, Kim, Fidel or Mao T-shirt, not some second rank mega-loser.

Love your blog, David. You're an inspiration to other Euro bloggers :-)

Fjordman.

@nimrod: I've also seen them at http://www.thoseshirts.com

I think it's quite ridiculous that Mr. Gedmin makes such a fuss about Che Guevara t-shirts. It's just a fashion thing. And btw, who wants to walk around with that crimpled face of B-movie actor RR?

absolutely ridiculous. gedmin is beyond good and evil. printing his rubbish is waste of money, reading it is a waste of time.

"I think it's quite ridiculous that Mr. Gedmin makes such a fuss about Che Guevara t-shirts. It's just a fashion thing."

I guess you don't keep up with current events. Che T-shirts are much more than a "fashion thing." He is a big hero to the far-left, and many of them wear the shirts. But what can you expect from people who subscribe to a philosophy that killed more than 100 million people in the last century.

I read the TNR article when it came out. I recommend it but, alas, it's subscription. What struck me was that he was really all that successful at being a maniacal mass murderer as he wanted to be, and his ignominious end.

Guess it goes to show that being photogenic is more important than being successful or ethical, or for that matter than being succesfull at moral depravity.

Che the icon is when a fashion statement becomes a counter-cultural statement to an advocacy of murder of women and children. How chic.

Just another case of death helping the reputation of a person far more than living to a ripe old age would have. Also a case of the political left's love affair with "people's revolutionaries"--just as long as images of the prisons and dead bodies don't make it on the primetime news.

I wonder how many who wear Che t-shirts are outraged over interrogation of prisoners at Guantanamo? With Che, there was no interrogation of prisoners, there was only execution.

It's just a fashion thing unless your father, son, or brother was executed at a firing squad by this "hero". Worshipping Che Guevara is as bad as worshipping any of the other murderous tryants of history. I don't have to mention them by name. Great blog by the way and greetings from Miami, FL. Click my link to learn more about the real Che Guevara

@Irena Mitzka

No responsibility comes the day you can vote. An 18 year old in a Che T-shirt is a communist.

I suppose it all fits in the left's theory that
"communism is a good idea, but it has not been realised (until now)".

So the mass-murder ideologists who tried but failed are still cool, because all communists who DID make it are discredited already (even in their own eyes, why is that anyway, do they want to pretend they like “human rights” ?).

They just hope a new poverty-lover will come up who has just killed some hundreds of dissidents instead of millions, so they can still support the "revolution".

Isn't it time to make an end to the intellectual emptyness of these idiots ? Communists, (national)socialists, muslims : their ideologies are incompatible with a higher society.

Anyone knows a solution ? Send them to madagascar ? Or better Antarctica ? Maybe we could feed them a story of "defending the penguins from the evil oil companies" ?

Enough ranting for today ;-))

Can I get T-shirts made up of my hero, Ernst Roehm?

I mean, cvorrect me if I'm wrong, but ol' Ernst was.....

A Revolutionary

A Socialist

A leader of Socialists

An anti... British, American, capitalist

A great fighter for his people, their rights and welfare, etc...

Murdered by a fascist

Oh, and hey, he was gay or at least bisexual, so the cachet is all the more.

So can I get the shirts made up and parade them around campuses? I know they'll be a big hit. I mean, that's why they like Che, non?

I love it. I put a link to you up in the Bog.

Peace and all Good,

Kermit

fine article, but it's "Viv*a* la revolución!" because Che, who was Argentinian-born, spoke Spanish, not French.. and Jean, that German guy's name was Goebbels. i might seem pedantic, but typos, like any sloppiness, can take away from an argument.

yeah, yeah the typical right wing propaganda. That Che also freed the people of the corrupt system of the dictator Baptista isn't menioned. why? Bc it's propaganda. Half of it is obviously a lie too.

Baptista was working closely together with the mob and terrorized the people of Cuba. He was one of the worst dicators.

After the revolution Cuba has one of the best health-systems and education.
The Communism the was coming to Cuba was just to piss the US off that had supported Baptista before.....The people of Cuba are obviously better of with Che and Fidel that with a corrupt dictator like Baptista.

Jesus, you guys are so easy to manipulate by the right wingers. Study the facts and history before you belive in every crap that is thrown at you ...

@Marph

1. "After the revolution Cuba has one of the best health-systems and education"

2. "Jesus, you guys are so easy to manipulate by the right wingers. Study the facts and history before you belive in every crap that is thrown at you ..."

So you believe the propaganda of the suppreme leader of a tiny communist state which population tries to get out by the 100's of 1000's, and you think people who don't are manipulated ? That's more then stupid, that's sad.


Guevara zeichnete sich insbesondere durch seine Härte gegen politische Gegner und Deserteure aus, während seiner Zeit als "Ankläger" wurden im Gefängnis La Cabaña unzählige Gefangene hingerichtet. Auf sein Betreiben hin wurde 1960 auch das erste Lager für Besserungsarbeit auf der Halbinsel Guanaha errichtet.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

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13.06.2005 | Che und die Wahrheit
Der Mythos "Che Guevara" ist ein Paradebeispiel für das poppige Entleeren, Säubern und Wiederaufbereiten ehemals politischer Symbole.

Schattenseiten in Guevaras vita: Die Gründung des Umerziehungslagers in Guanaha; seine rigorose Härte gegen politische Gegner, opponierende Linke und Homosexuelle; die massenhaften Erschießungen, die er erst auf Betreiben Fidel Castros zurückfuhr.

Christian Bangel

http://blogg.zeit.de/zuender/eintrag.php?id=58
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Der Haß als Faktor des Kampfes, der unbeugsame Haß dem Feinde gegenüber, der den Menschen über seine physischen Grenzen hinaus antreibt und ihn in eine wirksame, gewaltsame, selektive und kalte Tötungsmaschine verwandelt. Unsere Soldaten müssen so sein; ein Volk ohne Haß kann über einen brutalen Feind nicht siegen.

Der Krieg muß dorthin gebracht werden, wohin der Feind ihn bringt: in sein Haus, in seine Vergnügungsviertel der absolute Krieg. Man muß den Feind hindern, auch nur eine Minute Ruhe zu finden, eine Minute Ruhe außerhalb seiner Kasernen und sogar innerhalb derselben. Man muß ihn angreifen, wo immer er sich befindet. Man muß erreichen, daß er sich wie ein gehetztes Tier fühlt, wo immer er sich bewegt. Seine Moral wird damit mehr und mehr schwinden. Er wird noch bestialischer werden, aber es mehren sich die Zeichen für das Nachlassen seiner Kräfte.

Dann wird sich ein wahrer proletarischer Internationalismus herausbilden: mit internationalen proletarischen Armeen, in denen gekämpft wird unter der Fahne einer heiligen Sache, der Erlösung der Menschheit. Unter den Feldzeichen von Vietnam, Venezuela, Guatemala, Laos, Guinea, Kolumbien, Bolivien, Brasilien zu sterben um nur die gegenwärtigen Schauplätze der bewaffneten Auseinandersetzung zu zitieren müßte gleich ehrenvoll und wünschenswert für einen Amerikaner, einen Asiaten, einen Afrikaner, ja sogar einen Europäer sein.

Jeder vergossene Tropfen Blut in einem Territorium, unter dessen Fahne man nicht geboren wurde, ist Erfahrung, die der Überlebende sich aneignet, um sie dann im Kampf um die Befreiung seines Geburtslandes anzuwenden. Und jedes Volk, das sich befreit, ist eine gewonnene Etappe in der Schlacht um die Befreiung des eigenen Volkes. Dies ist die Stunde, unsere Differenzen zurücktreten zu lassen und alles in den Dienst des Kampfes zu stellen.

Unsere ganze Aktion ist eine Kampfansage an den Imperialismus und ein Ruf nach der Einheit der Völker gegen den großen Feind des Menschengeschlechts: die Vereinigten Staaten von Nordamerika.

Che Guevara, April 1967

http://www.marxistische-bibliothek.de/che1.html


During his term as commander of the fortress from 1959–1963, he oversaw the hasty trials and executions of many former Batista regime officials, including members of the BRAC secret police (some sources say 156 people, others estimate as many as 500). Poet and human rights activist Armando Valladares, who was imprisoned at La Cabana, documented Guevara's particular and personal interest in the interrogation, torture, and execution of prisoners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

Book Description
Against All Hope is Armando Valladares' account of over twenty years in Fidel Castro's tropical gulag. Arrested in 1960 for being philosophically and religiously opposed to communism, Valladares was not released until 1982, by which time he had become one of the world's most celebrated "prisoners of conscience." Interned all those years at the infamous Isla de Pinos prison (from whose windows he watched the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion), Valladares suffered endless days of violence, putrid food and squalid living conditions, while listening to Castro's firing squads eliminating "counter revolutionaries" in the courtyard below his cell. Valladares survived by prayer and by writing poetry whose publication in Europe brought his case to the attention of international figures such as French President Francois Mitterand and to human rights organizations whose constant pressure on the Castro regime finally led to his release.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893554198/qid=1114620755/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-5560228-1976817?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

"Against All Hope" is Armando Valladares' account of the near-quarter century he spent in Fidel Castro's Soviet-style gulags. Valladares was arrested shortly after Fidel's revolution, simply for not placing a Marxist slogan on his office desk, that would have required him to deny his Savior, Jesus Christ. Several days after this refusal, his house was stormed in the middle of the night, and he was hauled off to prison in Havana, with his mother promised that he would be returned shortly thereafter. Valladares didn't see her in freedom until 22 torturous and terror-filled years later.

The greatest thing Armando Valladares has done for the free world is to shatter the myth (CNN and Jimmy Carter, not withstanding) that Fidel Castro's Cuba is a semi-free place, persecuting only a handful of capitalists and subversives. Valladares tells story after story of hundreds (among tens of thousands of others) of prisoners he knew personally, who were tortured, maimed, starved, and executed. Scores of these prisoners Valladares came to know were not upper class or "white" but poor "campesinos" (and many black Cubans), many of whom once fought for Fidel Castro and Che Guevarra's Revolution... only to have that Machine of Death turn and kill them as well.

After nearly 400 pages of death and terror at the hands of Fidel Castro and his minions, I found myself wanting to just close the book and forget the rest. But then, I realized that's what the United Nations (ah, what a noble-sounding title that is) and the Western elitist Left has been doing for years with Castro... ignoring his terrorism. Ultimately, I was glad I finished the book, because even though Valladares does not put some lame happy spin on the story, he is at least freed (22 years of his life stolen), and now he can openly speak the truth of his Savior, to Fidel's power." (a review)

@jean

http://www.cubalinda.com/English/General_Info/G_InfoHealthConditionInCUBA.asp
http://www.who.int/countries/cub/en/

compare the healthsystem to other "poor" nations.

"which population tries to get out by the 100's of 1000's"

Maybe they want to get out, bc they still a poor country (Operation Mongoose and the US economic blockade seem to be eficient tools) and live very close to the richest COUNTRY???? Ever thought about that?


@anonymous

So you would leave on a self made raft with your entire family in a shark infested sea to go to the richest country on earth ???? Some parent you are !
Why don't haitians, bahamians etc flee to the USA by those numbers ? Communism and oppression ring a bell ??

As for the stats, they are provided by the cuban government. Need i say more ?

@jean

Where do most illegal immigrants of the US come from? Mexico! Didn't know they are communists too. Your comarpison is a bit weak.

The numbers for the WHO are not provided by Cuba.

Hey, I don't want to say communism is the greatest thing ever. of course not. But this poor propaganda against Che Guevara ist just absurd if you don't know why he fought and what he fought for.

@Marph

Comparing Mexico to Cuba IS weak. Comparing Haiti or the Bahamas or the Dominican Republic is NOT.

You have to agree there is a difference, 10 % of the Cuban population moved to the USA after Fidel took power. They knew what would happen to any developed person who is not a member of The Party in a communist regime. You don't see that happening in any other country in the region.

You DO see such things in North Korea, the former Soviet block, China etc. : people desperately trying to escape.

You think the story of Che is in any way "heroic" ? Maybe you got some secret information out of Motorcycle Diaries ! Like people who watched Bowling for columbine and think they somehow understand something others don't. Che is just another leftist idol blown out of proportions. He's a nobody and will always remain that way, whatever Hollywood makes of him.

And by the way, nobody doesn't know where Che fought for. Either you agree with communism or you don't. But you have to stop pretending he was some kind of idol fighting for the poor. He's just a dictator in spe like all other ideologues. The difference is, he didn't make it to the top. He was stopped before he could commit the mass murder of his fellow believers. And that's the positive part of his story !

@thomas
"You have to agree there is a difference, 10 % of the Cuban population moved to the USA after Fidel took power"

and? whats the percentage of mexicans that "moved" to the US? Why do you think it is directly linked to Fidel? Fact is, the people have a much better life under Fidel then under Baptista. And Cuba is still relatively poor and the rich US is close.

"You don't see that happening in any other country in the region."

Bc other countries are not communist? Bc if they start to develope a communistic society there is the US to prevent that. Even if it means helping assasinate an elected leader and replacing him with one of the worst dicator. Like it happend in Chile.


"You think the story of Che is in any way "heroic" ? Maybe you got some secret information out of Motorcycle Diaries"

I didn't even see that movie. These informations are not secret. Che helped the Cubans to get rid of Baptista. He fought for this people, risking his life.
That Cuba became a communistic society was not his plan and has nothing to do with Che. To develope that "friendship" to the former Soviet Union was only used to "piss off" the US in the cold war.

Operation Mongoose, Pinochet etc. etc. You know nothing about that?

"But you have to stop pretending he was some kind of idol fighting for the poor. He's just a dictator in spe like all other ideologues."

Give me examples .....

I am aware the Guevara is a totally overrated character. And obviously used for communistic propaganda BUT it's is ridiculous and immoral to compare him to a mass murderer. He fought for his ideals and died for it. and that gets my respect.

When he was the oh so cruel oh so bad monster, you guys try to make of him, how do you explain the thousands of painings of him on the walls of Cuba and the huge positive image he has among the cubans?

Che SUCKS; Death to all extremists!

The left holds Che Guevara as a hero - while bashing Regan, Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc... how perverse! This is why I believe that the American left is "possessed" by Satan - how else can you describe it??? In their universe up seems to be down, black is white, right is wrong. Get it through your heads already - there is no difference between Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Che Guevara, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein or the noble peace prize winner Yassir Arafat. These people are nothing more than criminals with a "revolutionary" facade. Granted, most kids who wear the t-shirts are just unsophisticated fools -- but then there are some people that actually wear it as a political statement - these are the true freaks of our society. Then again, Che is probably spinning if he knew that kids are buying shirts with his image at $20 a pop :)

GO Rumsfeld!

@luke

"Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Che Guevara, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein or the noble peace prize winner Yassir Arafat."

and what is the difference to Reagan, Rumsfeld or Bush?

@Anonymous
"what is the difference to Reagan, Rumsfeld or Bush"

The question alone, but anyway, i'll take the bait, it's fun.

-First of all : they are elected. I know the left is not interested in that kind of arguments, but it is an essential difference.
-Second : they defend, they are not even remotely interested in conquering their enemies.
The other side offends, because the mere existence of the USA draws all people with brains away from their dictatorships.

Freedom is the future, the left can fight it, but i'm certain it will prevail. Go USA !

@marph

Just take the immigration statistics of Cuba - USA, and look at the peak after the revolution.
The mere fact that you try to neglect this fact makes you biased. Of course other countries have immigration to the USA, and of course Mexico has the largest contributor. The whole world has a brain drain to the USA, that is not what it’s about. The fact is that after the Fidel revolution, people have tried to escape Cuba in vast numbers just as they did after any communist regime change.

"Fact is, the people have a much better life under Fidel then under Baptista"
Who told you that ? Are you aware of the fact that there is no free press AT ALL in Cuba?
That all papers, radios, tv stations, books, statistics etc are published by the government? That ALL information you get about Cuba, whether through international institutions, Hollywood or holidays, are filtered by the government, like in any dictatorship? Why do I even have to explain this to you ? Have you learned anything at all from history ?

Do you believe that if there were free elections, Fidel would be elected ?

Cuba has a much lower GDP/capita then most of the surrounding countries; the system of Fidel seems to work very well ! That is, of course, because of trade sanctions by the USA, because we all know how well communism performs without trade restrictions…

What you are saying is basically what leftist academics pretended about the USSR as long as it existed. They also used statistics provided by the Soviet government. How naive can you get.

OF COURSE no sane person wants to live under communism, and everyone will try to escape it. Under Baptista, there was a chance of making something of your life, just as in any other Latin American country. It wasn't good, but it was infinitely better then communism.

"To develop that "friendship" to the former Soviet Union was only used to "piss off" the US in the cold war."
What a brilliant strategy ! Pissing off the only country that could possibly help you freeing any population from dictatorship, by taking the side of a totally oppressive regime. That really must work ! And it DID work, well, in your eyes any way.

“Give me examples”

Any communist leader. Any dictator. What are you suggesting anyway ? That Che wasn’t a communist, and that he tried to spread freedom and thus capitalism ? You know, the two are identical, OR you chose for big government/dictatorship, OR you chose for a free population. There is no third way, as Tony Blair would like you to believe. What’s more, there is no need for a third way, the capitalist way is totally superior in any field.

But I guess I’m biased by the propaganda of the multinationals and Chimpler. I’m living in a capitalist society enjoying life, but somehow I’m just a robot silenced by empty materialist consumentism, isn’t it ;-)). I’m going out to enjoy the good things of life right now, because I am free, and I love it !!

@Thomas
"The question alone, but anyway, i'll take the bait, it's fun."

yeah? it's fun. Well it's not only fun but a shame to compare Che with hitler or stalin. Hitler whoe gased 5 Mio people in concentration camps or the almost 50 Mio people that died under Stalin or in his Gulags. Who compares Che with these monsters of history has proven that he doesn't understand crap.

"Second : they defend, they are not even remotely interested in conquering their enemies."

Oh jesus how naive can it get. the "defend". like in Chile? or now Irak? wait.. let me show you a intersting site.:

http://www.omnicenter.org/warpeacecollection/dictators.htm

I don't neglect the peak after the revolution. Do you have informations for that peak. How much higher is it? 5000%? Sounds like it, the way you formulate it.

Ever thought about the fact that under Babtista was still a "normal" legal immigration and more traditional illegal immigration to the US. That's why they didn't had to risk their lifes in a boat.

"What you are saying is basically what leftist academics pretended about the USSR as long as it existed. They also used statistics provided by the Soviet government. How naive can you get."

Yeah right, WHO or Amnesty get they informations FROM Cuba. Maybe you should check out their sites to see where they get their intel form. They go there.
Wow, so even if, the "lefties" are so naive about getting informations? great job my dear "right-wingers" on getting the intel about WMD's in Iraq.

"OF COURSE no sane person wants to live under communism, and everyone will try to escape it. Under Baptista, there was a chance of making something of your life, just as in any other Latin American country. It wasn't good, but it was infinitely better then communism"

Jesus, with these idead in your head it's senseless to discus Baptista was a right-wing, barbarian dictator and the West gave him unconditional support because Cuba's economy was a money-making machine for many rich Western citizens - including many with organized crime connections.

Under Baptista, the average Cuban was illiterate, in ill health, and living in absolute poverty. Although in Castro's Cuba, Cubans do not live in paradise, in comparison to what they had under Baptista, it still way better.

Interesting tha you never answer anything on what i am saying about: Pinochet, US support for Babtista, Mongoose,


let me show you a intersting site.:
Any site claiming that Pol Pot was American supported or that the US was responsible for the Khmer Rouge is as useful and reliable as anything published by Ernst Zundel.
Under Baptista, the average Cuban was illiterate, in ill health, and living in absolute poverty.

Are Cubans healthier now than under Batista? How Illiterate were Cubans under Batista?

http://www.answers.com/topic/revolutionary-government-of-cuba


Critics of Castro's regime note that although Cuba's infant mortality rate is now the lowest in Latin America, that was also the case before Castro – when it was also the 13th lowest in the world. Cuba ranked ahead of France, Belgium, West Germany, Israel, Japan, Austria, Italy, and Spain, all of which would eventually pass Cuba in this indicator during the following decades. Also missing from the conventional analysis of Cuba's infant mortality rates is its very high abortion rate of 77.7 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44 in 1996 -- which, because of selective termination of "high-risk" pregnancies, yields lower numbers for infant mortality. Cuba's abortion rate was the 3rd highest out of the 60 countries studied. (url (http://www.state.gov/p/wha/ci/14776.htm))

Other indicators, however, such as life expectancy that increased from less than 60 years at birth in 1959 to 76.13 years in 2004, clearly demonstrate significant quality of life improvements. However, many other developing nations have had similar gains. (url
(http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=2429))

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By 1961, Cuba's illiteracy rate had been reduced from 20 percent to 4 percent. People who completed the course were asked to send a letter to Castro as a test. Cuba's National Literacy Museum archives more than 700,000 such letters. (url (http://www.bangornews.com/editorialnews/specialreports/cuba/improvement.html))

Panama, Paraguay, Colombia, Brazil, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, and Haiti -- which all ranked just behind Cuba in this indicator during the 1950's – have equaled or bettered Cuba's improvement when measured in percentage terms.

So we know that the average Cuban was not illiterate under Batista, and in order to eliminate the remaining 20% of the population that was illiterate, the answer was to ban books and enact censorship that would make the FCC blush. We know that major gains were made in health in Cuba, but that those gains were matched by other, non-castro controlled nations. And we know that the average Cuban today is impoverished. So precisely what gains has Cuba made since 1959? Cuba has about 2 million more people who know how to read, but aren't allowed to read what they want.

Yeah right, WHO or Amnesty get they informations FROM Cuba.

Communist governments are notorious for falsifying such records so as to serve as propaganda.

Maybe you should check out their sites to see where they get their intel form. They go there. Wow, so even if, the "lefties" are so naive about getting informations?

They go there, and are told what Castro wants his workers to tell them.

great job my dear "right-wingers" on getting the intel about WMD's in Iraq.

Yes, that's the price paid when we pass laws restricting intel agencies from dealing with unsavory people.

i was just doing reasearch for a school report, and i stumbled upon this article. i didn't even have an account, so i made one to reply. The current United States regime is destroying (innocent) lives, so is wearing shirts with the american flag going to be naive? Atleast Che had a purpose to fight for, we just have oil.

Which purpose, world revolution?

What is your plan for that once you have achieved supremacy over your enemies?

Maybe to declare all the oil of the world common property and distribute the revenues equally to all the inhabitants thereof?

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