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take it one step further. that the tsunami was reportedly to blame on bush and america.

It should be noted that SPON copied the two basic allegations without properly attributing them. The Bush staying in Crawford thing came from the Washington Post and the U.S.-UN meme was produced by Claire Short in the Scotsman.

Both are nonsense, of course.

It is easy - very easy - to bash SPON for anti-Americanism, because SPON is clearly the leader of a large pack. Nevertheless, SPON is just the tip of a very large iceberg that starts with the larger German television stations, newspapers and weekly news magazines and goes all the way down to smaller newspapers and news letters. It encompasses reporting, commentary and letters sections. It includes the documentaries run by televion stations like ARTE. It includes the sneering tone of German reporters reporting live from Washington. Anti-Americanism is omnipresent in the German media. We were all waiting for the US to be declared responsible for the tsunami, and now FOCUS Online has it at the top of their website:

http://focus.msn.de/hps/fol/newsausgabe/newsausgabe.htm?id=10063

Oh please, is it "anti-American" now to report activities of the U.S. Congress?

"Im US-Kongress gibt es dem Bericht zufolge mittlerweile Vorbereitungen, ein mögliches Versagen der Behörde für Meeres- und Atmosphärenforschung (NOAA) zu untersuchen. Der zuständige Ausschuss wolle prüfen, warum die Behörde nicht in der Lage gewesen sei, „wertvolle, lebensrettende Informationen“ über die Flutwelle an die betroffenen asiatischen Länder weiterzugeben."

Der kürzlich zum "Chefredakteur des Jahres" (MediumMagazin für Journalisten) ernannte Christoph Keese schreibt in der heutigen WamS:

"Die USA sagten zunächst 15 Millionen Dollar Hilfe zu. Da ist weniger als die Hälfte dessen, was die Republikaner für die Amtseinführung Bushs Ende des Monats ausgeben. Inzwischen erhöhte Bush zwar auf 350 Millionen Dollar, aber er brauchte trotzdem sechs Tage, bis er den ersten Beileidsanruf tätigte. Erst als seine langsame Reaktion Kritik aus Politik und Medien auf sich zog, entschloß er sich zum Handeln."

Danke dafür, Christoph! Jetzt stimmt unser Weltbild wieder, und wir wissen alle, wie man es zum Chefredakteur des Jahres bringt.

Herr Keese hat sicherlich nur zwei Stunden gebraucht für die ersten Beileidsanrufe und die Bereitstellung von 350 Millionen Dollar. :)

yeah, Tr., I heard that one trotted around on the BBC World Service. The 'scientist' that they interviewed called Bush an idiot, and called Gore a 'statesman'. Un-hunh. Sure.
The flaw of the MSM is that they take this guy's stuff as received wisdom, but never let anyone present a different view.
For example, why doesn't anyone ask this guy if using %15 percent of the world's energy to take CO2 out of the air makes any sense, when they can't even tell you if the current 50 year temperature trend is un-natural, even though it fits the pre-industrial temperature pattern? These greenies remind me of those 'voluntary extinction' crackpots.
If they can't predict an earthquake, no less the weather two weeks from now, what makes you think that they can tell you what the temperature variation from a cyclical trent will be in 75 years?

I have read all the real reporting. I am satisfied with what action has been taken by my country. I don't care who gets credit. I want to help these people get their lives back to normal as soon as we can. I am satisfied the money we personally gave to the I.C.R.C. earmarked for aid to this disaster will help. SPON can go stuff it's self in a trunk. Getting credit is not important helping is.

The karma payback that SPON and it's writers will feel some day will be painful.

Transatlantiker,
it takes only some hours to understand the basic information what Anti-Americanism is. Start with Anti-Semitism and then go on with Anti-Americanism.

I find it really disturbing that you don't know anything about it. We as Germans have the responsibility to be informed. The greatest horror happened in Nazi Deutschland because of that. How can we say, never again, when you did not learn your lesson? First every German generation has this responsibility.

I would appreciate that you will never post such nonsense again:

"Oh please, is it "anti-American" now to report activities of the U.S. Congress?".

Oh please, do it. Finally.

And, oh please, don't ask me because it will take some time. But it is worth. And please don't be offended, take it as a chance. You sound so self-righteous.


Well Gabi, the only righteous person who constantly censors and judges people she doesn't know anything about is you.

My reaction was to the criticised Focus article which merely reports that Congress is investigating why NOAA wasn't able to inform states in the Indian Ocean about the tsunami warning they had published on their website. The major problem obviously was that they didn't have the right numbers to call for countries in the Indian Ocean. The Boston Globe reported this:

"The U.S. weather agency didn't have the phone numbers nor staff to alert all Indian Ocean coastal countries when it saw the first signs that tsunamis could be heading their way, its top official said Thursday. He cautioned that the Caribbean and Atlantic also lack an early warning system.

In the face of stern questioning by some in Congress over whether enough was done, the head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said his agency did all it was responsible for doing in warning 26 countries in the Pacific. "

It's completely ridiculous to call this an example of anti Americanism.

You, Gabi, could learn a few lessons as well.

Transatlantiker,
you are again so sure. No doubts. Ridiculous? I judge what you are writing. I don't judge YOU! Do you try to tell me that I can judge only people I know? I read your words, Transatlantiker. My opinion about your post is that you know nothing about Anti-Americanism. It did not want to offend you. We are Germans. Better I tell you than any other. Don't you think so? When we are posting here as Germans, the world can read it. I think the world should know that we learnt our lessons and that we care what the next generation knows and writes.

What you wrote about congress, that this cannot be Anti-Americanism is nonsense. You did not understand a bit. What a pity!

Nun, dann nochmal auf deutsch, Gabi. Hör endlich damit auf, mit Anti-Amerikanismus (oder mangelnde Kenntnis desselben) zu unterstellen. Ich bin es langsam leid, dass jede kritische Meinung mit diesem absurden Totschlagargument begegnet wird.

Würdest du meine Postings wirklich lesen, dann würdest du feststellen, dass ich sehr differenzierte Meinungen vertrete. So fand in den SPON Artikel tatsächlich sehr kritikwürdig, den von Kommentator(in) belmami kritisierten Focus-Artikel dagegen nicht. Er/Sie schrieb:

"Anti-Americanism is omnipresent in the German media. We were all waiting for the US to be declared responsible for the tsunami, and now FOCUS Online has it at the top of their website"

Und das ist, mit Verlaub, Unfug, weil Focus hier nichts anderes tut, als von einer Anhörung im Kongress zu berichten. Die Möglichkeit, dass NOAA Fehler gemacht haben könnte, wurde von US Abgeordneten erwogen, nicht von Focus.

Da es im Indischen Ozean kein Tsunami-Warnsystem gibt, hätte sich selbst bei einer NOAA Warnung nicht viel geändert. Am Beispiel Thailands ist das ja leider sehr klar geworden.

Im übrigen bin ich zufällig Deutsch-Amerikaner und mein (jüdischer) Grossvater hat Deutschland mitbefreit. Also erzähl Du mir nichts von Lektionen.

Im übrigen bin ich zufällig Deutsch-Amerikaner und mein (jüdischer) Grossvater hat Deutschland mitbefreit. Also erzähl Du mir nichts von Lektionen.


Sorry, Transatlantiker, sollen das deine Argumente sein??? Danke für diese erhellende "Diskussion".

Es gibt Deutsche, die antiamerikanisch denken können, Amerikaner, die antiamerikanische Argumente verwenden und dann gibt es noch die Deutsch-Amerikaner, was immer das sein mag, die natürlich auch nicht durch Geburt von antiamerikanischen Gedanken frei sind.

Diese Antwort von dir macht es doch noch deutlicher.

Das von dir benutzte Wort "Totschlagsargument" gehört auch dazu.

Wenn du also nicht zu den Deutschen zählst, die meiner Meinung nach, Verantwortung tragen, wenn sie öffentlich posten, sondern Amerikaner bist, dann geht dich Nazi-Deutschland nichts an als Nachgeborener. Dann sagst du einfach, liebe Gabi, ich bin Amerikaner, auch wenn ich hier Deutsch schreibe. Dann wäre das Mißverständnis geklärt gewesen. Aber kannst du nicht ein bißchen verstehen, daß es mich als Deutsche zutiefst betroffen macht, wenn meine Landsleute so einfältig und selbstgerecht über Antiamerikanismus posten? Der größte Horror in der Geschichte hat damit zu tun. Daß du Amerikaner bist, entbindet dich und ich nehme das dann zurück.

Tapferer Großvater! Danke! Aber leider ist das nicht vererbbar. Du mußt selbst tapfer leben, selbst nachdenken, das kann dir dein jüdischer Großvater nicht abnehmen.

Aber lassen wir es jetzt gut sein. Ich habe gesagt, was ich sagen mußte. Mach was draus oder auch nicht.

Ein amerikanischer Pass entbindet mich von gar nichts, und schon gar nicht davon, darüber nachzudenken, was Deutsche und Amerikaner falsch machen. Du gehst nach wie vor nicht auf meine Argumente ein. Kannst Du ein einziges "anti-amerikanisches" Zitat von mir finden?

Auch die härteste Kritik an der Politik Amerikas muss überhaupt nicht antiamerikanisch sein, ebensowenig wie harte Kritik an Schröder "antideutsch" ist. Es gibt in manchen der hier geposteten Presseartikel durchaus Vorurteile, manchmal latent, manchmal offen. Aber hier wird fast nach jedem SPON Artikel die Leier von der antiamerikanischen Presse heruntergebetet. Ich erinnere mich gut, wie das zu Vietnam-Zeiten war. Das hat mich auch persönlich betroffen. Es wird interessant sein, wie Irak in fünf oder zehn Jahren beurteilt werden wird.

Ich glaube nicht, dass ich immer recht habe, ich irre mich oft. Das ist nun mal so. Es gibt Antiamerikanismus, den kannst du in manchen Postings bei Telepolis lesen.

Ich kenne mich recht gut in US Politik aus und weiß ziemlich genau, was gerade im Congress los ist. Und das meiste, was bei SPON oder anderen deutschen Medien über Amerika auftaucht, habe ich vorher schon in US-Medien gelesen, so originell sind deutsche Medien gar nicht.

Amerika ist nun mal die einzige Supermacht der Welt, und muss daher mehr Kritik aushalten als andere. Und das kann es ganz gut.

Ich bin eben jemand, der auf beiden Seiten des Atlantiks daheim ist, und daher auch beide Perspektiven sehen kann.

Wahrscheinlich gibt es morgen bei Medienkritik ein Posting über den US Plan, Guantanamo Inmates lebenslänglich ohne Prozess festzuhalten.

Dann wird bestimmt wieder viel von Antiamerikanismus die Rede sein. Nur werden wir beide etwas ganz unterschiedliches darunter verstehen.

Nein, Transatlantiker, da hast du wieder viel Worte geschreiben und nichts gesagt. Ich habe dir bereits geschrieben, welcher Satz von dir falsch ist. Das hast du noch nicht einmal verstanden. Antiamerikanismus ist eine Haltung. Da muß nicht drin stehen: Ich hasse Juden. Ich hasse Amerikaner. Der alte Antisemitismus von damals, den Hitler fühlte, ist nicht mehr so stark. Den teilen nur noch wenige. Hoffe ich. Aber was du gepostet hast, das ist der neue Strom. Wenn ein Jude es gesagt hat, dann kann es nicht antisemtisch sein. Nein? Keine Zweifel? Wenn einer Transatlantiker heißt, dann kann der doch nicht antiamerikansiche Positionen vertreten. Und dann noch mit jüdischen Opa. Antisemitismus ausgeschlossen? So ist das leider nicht. Wirst du kein bißchen neugierig, ob da was dran ist?

Gabi, es hat keinen Sinn, mit Dir zu diskutieren, denn du ignorierst grundsätzlich das Wesentliche, das ich schreibe.

Du musst mir doch nicht erklären, was Antiamerikanismus ist. Hier wurde anhand eines Focus-Artikels wieder Anti-Amerikanismus unterstellt, bei einem Beispiel, wo das einfach Unfug ist, und darauf habe ich mich bezogen. Aber das ignorierst Du einfach und hältst mir stattdessen moralische Vorträge.

Was ich gepostet habe ist "der neue Strom"? Von was? Bin ich jetzt auch noch ein moderner Antisemit oder was? Oder einfach nur zu dumm, um das alles zu verstehen?

Du gehst mir wirklich auf den Geist mit deinen lächerlichen Pauschalurteilen. Vielleicht denkst Du mal über Deine Toleranz und Einstellung Leuten gegenüber nach, die eine andere Meinung als Du vertreten.

Nochmal: Wo findest Du nur ein einziges antiamerikanisches (oder antisemitisches) Wort von mir? Oder kommt jetzt wieder eine allgemeine Phrase vom "neuen Strom"?

@Transatlantiker

Your response to the post on the Focus article is a typical straw man argument used by the anti-American European press. The contents of the article are, as you imply, rather benign - simple reporting of a story related to the catastrophe. The anti-Americanism arises from the provocative headline and the fact that this was the lead article on the Focus website. The article was placed there to "feed the wolves" and leave the reader with a negative impression of the US. It may not even have been intentional; it just comes so naturally to the German media now. Maybe you can tell me where I can find an article in the German media asking why the UN hadn't already established monitoring stations around the area.

BTW: SPON has struck again with an item with a headline claiming that Bush wants to lock up terror suspects permanently and without trial (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,335215,00.html). They claim to be quoting a Washington Post report, but the WaPo report I found online makes no such claim (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41475-2005Jan1.html?sub=AR). The WaPo report says "The Pentagon and the CIA have asked the White House to decide on a more permanent approach for potentially lifetime detentions, including for hundreds of people now in military and CIA custody whom the government does not have enough evidence to charge in courts." I don't see any WaPo claim at all about what Bush does or doesn't want to do.

Maybe I have grown hysterical, or am simply mistaken, but this looks like a bold-faced lie to me. If anyone has interest to the contrary, I will be more than happy to admit I am wrong and hang my head in shame.

Und zu der späteren Bemerkung: Deutschland wurde nicht befreit, sondern besiegt.

Das gilt dann wohl auch für "liberated Iraq". Beides ist richtig.

Und SPON schreibt halt von Reuters ab:

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration is preparing plans for possible lifetime detention of suspected terrorists, including hundreds whom the government does not have enough evidence to charge in courts, The Washington Post reported Sunday."

WaPo spricht nur von "Administration officials are preparing long-range plans for indefinitely imprisoning suspected terrorists whom they do not want to set free or turn over to courts in the United States or other countries, according to intelligence, defense and diplomatic officials."

Jetzt können wir uns über den Unterschied von "Bush administration" und "Administration officials" streiten oder, was vielleicht doch wichtiger ist, uns überlegen, was diese Ideen noch mit einem Rechtsstaat zu tun haben.

Todays TV news www.ard.de

tagesschau
02. Januar 2005, 16:55 Uhr
Inhalte dieser Sendung (content)


*Indonesien.
*Thailand.
*Indien & Sri Lanka.
*Krisenstab Berlin.
*Verletzte Deutsche.
*Spendenbilanz.
*Spendenkonten.
*Das Wetter

First news: Indonesia, US aircraft carrier is sent to bring the urgently needed helicopters. A commander told that he has been in Iraq before.
Great symbolic story combined with the real efficient aid to Indonesia by US forces.


@Transatlantiker

I enjoy a lot discussing with people who have different opinions than mine. It can offer points of view one never thought about, and it's also a good exercise for the mind.

I'm impressed by your US passport and your Jewish grandpa. I guess that, for you, this is supposed to be the ultimate proof that you can't be anti-American or anti-Semite. Fine...

The problem is that discussing with you doesn't really offer new points of view. You repeat like a parrot what the German and good parts of the US media propagate. (I hope you are not offended by the comparison with a parrot. Parrots are beautiful and lovely birds.) For you, anti-Americanism in Germany is limited to a few posts on Telepolis, Heise and, once in a while, Spiegel. Other than that, everything else is just peachy. If Bush weren't the President, the world would sing songs of world peace night and day.

Considering those points, discussing with you is also not really an exercise for the mind. It's more like an anaesthetic, it puts you to sleep. (That's possibly a blessing in disguise...)

I wish from all my little heart that you would go to other forums, where people see the "Truth", and forget about us here. I know that you are well-intended, you sincerely want to save a few sheep. As I already said, I don't mind at all different opinions. It's just that maybe it's time for you to MoveOn.

Even with my limited intelligence(of course it's limited, how else could I buy all the Bush-lines), I recognize that this posting of mine will have the results of trying to teach a non-speaking parrot to talk(I thought I would remain with the parrot example). I am sure you are a beautiful soul, informed, intelligent and brave(because you write on this dark forum).

Nevertheless, it would be so exciting if you could just stay away from this forum. We wouldn't miss much. Really ! Everything you write here can be found in the MSM, so the loss wouldn't be that terrible, even though, once in a while, we might wonder what has become of you, good old Transatlantiker...

I hope you'll honor me and read this whole post. It took me some time to write it. It is all for you, and it is sincere. Don't do like me when I ignore your postings, show me you are better than me.

I wish you a Happy New Year and I also wish you to find more intelligent partners for discussions. Oh, and once you found them, just stick with them.

P.S. This is my own, personal advice. It does not reflect the position of the owners of this blog. (I just wanted to mention that, because there are people here who believe that the opinions of the commentators here reflect the one of the owners. You wouldn't be one of them, would you...?)

P.P.S. Wow, I wrote a lot. Did you like it? NO, NO, don't answer me! Just...ah, let it be...

@transatlantiker-
You really spew one hell of allot of nonsense on this blog. Your comments are more fiction that a reflection of reality. You takes on the worlds happenings are formed from a very dillushional perspective.
You talk about some recent boston globe hacked-out article talking about a congressional investigation as to why there was no one to accept the calls within the indian ocean with any warnings. (or was it "they didn't have the numbers of those to call"?) It is interesting that your intent with the globe article was to prove some type of US "failing".
Why is it that you do not question the local populations and regional govts as to WHY THEY did NOT have such a system? Do the western govts in this world have to continuously provide for those govts who deny their people the simplicity and effectiveness of an early warning system? The US has had a system for 40 damn years now, and India can maintain it's nuke reactors and fissile material, yet cannot provide for a coastal warning system? Same goes for last years earthquake in Bam, Iran. Millions were ear-marked for that region yet no one asked Iran to divert their current investments in nuke dreams to more properly address the suffering of their people with that money.
Thailand is a rich govt overall. India spends billions a year on nuke development, and Indonesia has local rescue workers who wear bin-laden t-shirts. Yet it is US helicoptors who are the first to arrive up north in Acheh.
It is not on odd thing for the US to "go around" the UN in such a crisis. It would be more foolish to join them and their teams of clip-board carrying beurocrats who are searching for cozy lodging. Each year will bring a further distancing between the US and the "un", as the "un" has become nothing but a nest-like bastion for thrid world un-elected dictatorial freaks who demand votes in the "un" while governing populations who are denied a right to vote.
How foolish and hypocritical are the countries who demand votes on the world stage yet deny their own people a specific voice or a vote.
Now, as the worlds most populous muslim nation of indonesia is rocked by waves a day after the Christian holiday celebrating the birth of Christ....
Marines from the US are off-loading supplies via helicopter into the Aceh region, sleeping in mosquito filled ditches on the sides of the flood soaked runways, having forsworn a holiday of shore leave to assist in the delivery of aid. Lets remember back to the 8 month fight for one or two "eu" helicoptors to be sent to afghanistan prior to elections. No nation claimed to actually have a spare one they were willing to donate and to risk dust particles on fancy paint jobs.
In the meantime, kofi annan comes back preening yet doe-eyed from his wyoming ski vacation (with blond wife at his side) talking about the need to FIRST build a housing complex, complete with kitchenettes and hot water for the "un" workers before they can begin to help as they do not want to "burden the local population with their own housing needs". Contrast the approaches taken by the "un" and the US, and it is only a fool who cannot see which is more effective.
It would also be interesting look a little further into the "ante-up" mentality that is permeating this donation process like a damn card game-
A norwegion "un" rep named Jan states that western govts who are wealthy should increase the taxes to provide for more world aid programs. Lets keep in mind that norway has an overall population smaller than that of metro Los Angeles. french, german and other "eu" countries trumpet out their donations by an indication of it's percentage of a GDP, as if that was THE measure to be used to gauge donation levels.
Lets keep it clear that NONE of this "percentage of GDP donations" are done VOLUNTERILY by the citizens of said countries, rather these are funds TAKEN by the govt in the form of taxation. Is this then a TRUE "donation"? The answer is NO. A TRUE measure of a nations generosity is what individuals and corporations OUTSIDE the nanny-arm of the govt, and outside mandatory taxations, are given willingly as donations by it's citizens.

TA, why do you need an American passport? Do you have another? Since all you do is whine, moan, bitch and complain, why would you want one? You'd be happier someplace else.

Kofi's going down, see the IHT.

Michael Totten has some interesting remarks on this topic. Seems America-bating British MP Clare Short also thinks its far more important to have a "correct" and "legitimate" process than to worry about technicalities like human lives, especially when there's a US-bashing angle to be exploited. This whole flap is a great litmus test. You can immediately see who is so obsessed with their hatred of the US that they have become utterly indifferent to human suffering. As Michael so aptly puts it, "Over a hundred thousand people are dead. This is not the time to seethe and whine about process. Process means absolutely nothing to people who need help and need it right now. Speed and results, Clare. Speed and results. Roll up your sleeves and stick a sock in it."

Great bring in the United Nations. From a purely humanitarian standpoint would it not be better to just round up all the survivors and shoot them.

The UN better not let any survivors talk to people in kosovo. They will demand to be shot.

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