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It turns out that Ambasador Joe Wilson was a Kerry hack who has lied the whole time. Reports that Iraqi agents were attempting to buy yellow cake uranium from Niger were true. The only person who said that it was not true was Ambasador Wilson, who never read the reports of the local U.s./English agents.

Joe Wilson, who is heavily connected to Kerry on a personal basis, claims that he was randomly selected to be an Ambasador to Niger. It turns out that his wife, a CIA agent, lobbied her agency to have Wilson posted as Ambasador.

It appears that Wilson volunteered for this job in Niger with the sole puropose of discrediting Bush and Blaire.

Ain't it sweet -- (truth).
Will it accomplish anything on either side of the pond? No.

A recent study of the German media's bias in reporting about the US, @ www.medien-tenor.de/index1.html, titled "Superpower with Image Problem" shows a clear trend of increasingly negative, biased reporting.

"One-sided reporting in the television media is a major cause of the German antipathy for the United States. The negative image of the US is without substance; the journalists concentrate their criticism on the US president. Other perspectives are shuttered, complex political connection are not explained."

"European politicians use prejudices to define themselves in their differentiation to America."

I've had very similar disheartening experiences. Many Germans (and other Europeans) are simply unwilling to consider the possibility that the view they're getting from their media is distorted or incomplete, even those who speak English well and, theoretically, have access to other media sources.

On several occasions I've tried to get Germans to compare original sources (e.g. interviews, government reports, etc) to the media summaries of those reports so they could see how distorted the summaries are. With precisely one exception, they _all_ simply refused to look at the source material.

The notion that their media is serving them poorly is too horrible to contemplate, and they just don't want to know. Of course, the fact that they refused to even look is a pretty good indication that, deep in their heart-of-hearts, they know the truth.

-- Erik

So how exactly is this censorship thing working? Does every media outlet have a chief editor with a political agenda and every staff member with a different agenda gets fired? And why is it that "in Germany, there is nothing"? Why is there no FoxNews and no Rush Limbaugh? Because of censorship? What happened to our free market economy? Are you suggesting that the government is censoring? And why is the SPD somewhere around 20% in the polls if the media is so biased? Wouldn't they try to help the SPD by censoring everything SPD-critical?

Wouldn't a more obvious explanation be that the media outlets have to appeal to a market and so we see bias not because the media is biased but because the people are biased?

One thing Germans fail to realize is something they've failed to realize for many, many years: their self absorption has led them to delusions of grandeur. They are repeating history, albeit without guns, and are once again headed for disaster.

Americans are not stupid, and they are not disconnected from the world. They know who their friends are. I'm sure this will have no impact on German thinking for now, but there is a rising anti-German sentiment that is going to have a profound impact on trade.

Can Germans say "Boycott?" If not, they might ask their French pals about the loss of billions of dollars in sales here that will never be recouped. We have long memories over here and we're learning we don't need Germany any more than we need France.

Gary,
Self absorption and delusions of grandeur? You can apply both attributes to Americans as well. Yes, Americans are not stupid but they somewhat disconnected from the world. European media talks about virtually anything that goes on in America, they even covered the cicadas and the Miss America pageant. Can you say similar things about US mainstream media? I watch the news here on a regular basis - and yes I watch FoxNews sometimes. The only two countries they mention are - you guessed it - the US and Iraq. That's not what I call connection to the world.

I don't sense "a rising anti-German sentiment." People are as friendly as always. And they've already yelled "sprockets" (http://www.gawth.com/~desolate/sprockets.html) at me long before GWB became president.

And I don't see how a boycott would be successful. Some companies might seem European but actually are owned by Americans (like Evian which is owned 50% by Coca Cola) and other companies may seem American but really are German (like T-Mobile which sucks by the way). I don't know many Americans who care about Germany. Why would they bother to boycott German products?

Verfasst;

You assume Americans only get information from television and the papers. That's wrong. The media here have among the worst reputations of any industry, even used car salesmen. You should look at book sales, Internet use and AM radio as well.

Millions of us are very well informed on world affairs using these outlets (I wouldn't be responding to you otherwise). We know about your 68ers, Greens, neo-Nazis, Christian Democrats and all the other ripples over there.

You on the other hand, seem not to be as well informed about us. The only deluded among us are the anti-war, kneejerk left (see Michael Moore) that lives for slogans and political dreaming. Realists are another story.

As for delusions of grandeur, I'd remind you of a century of accomplishment and progress in the US that has directly benefited the entire world, Germany included. We're aware we're resented for it, but we're learning not to care. I don't think you want that.

I stand by the self-absorption remark. The political climate in Europe is based on it. European criteria for judging us comes from it, not fact.

We're not a static society. We have the ability to learn, adjust and grow. That's where we get our optimism. We know we're an ongoing experiment, which means we also know we're not perfect. This makes us inherently outward looking, which is hardly the definition of self absorbed.

Now, the boycott. But we're going factor in world events of the last 20 years or so. We know about our soldiers being accosted on German streets. We know your Holocaust memorials are being vandalized while Germans call us nazis. We're very aware that both Germanys armed and trained Saddam's terror apparatus. We know your government gave US military intelligence to him.

The boycott is based on these facts, many of which came from your own media. We have enough brains to see who owns which companies, and we know as craven, self-absorbed Americans we have numerous choices when we buy stuff.

Let me put it another way. My wife and I just bought two new cars. We had a Volkswagen and an Audi. We now have a Saab and Cadillac CTS.

Get the picture?

gary,

how many millions of Americans "are very well informed on world affairs"? Just by talking to people in the neighborhood and at work I conclude it can't be that many. You are more like an exception and less like the rule.

About the cars - good for you. But maybe you should have bought a VW to help the Mexican economy or a Mercedes to help out the people in Tuscaloosa, AL! And isn't Saab European, too?

“The notion that their media is serving them poorly is too horrible to contemplate, and they just don't want to know. Of course, the fact that they refused to even look is a pretty good indication that, deep in their heart-of-hearts, they know the truth. “

It is not that simple. I’ve an intelligent friend here in CA that hates Bush. He’ll discuss issues with me but gets frustrated when I pound him with critical analysis of every article he mentions. Where can he go for trusted information? He doesn’t have the time, the energy, or the interest to chase down all the information on the Internet. How does he know that I’m not selectively filtering the data I feed him? He doesn’t like how Bush talks. Most of his friends in the US, Europe, and South America hate Bush. He doesn’t like the world after 911. When I ask him for alternatives, he has no answer, but he still doesn’t like what’s happening.

I don’t have an answer when the major media outlets in all nations are willing to spin the news to further their own political agendas.

--We're not a static society. We have the ability to learn, adjust and grow.--

Didn't Rommel say out of all the armies he fought, we knew the least but learned the fastest?

What's a Marine motto?

Improvise, adapt and ?????

Via Vodkapundit:

Aaron turned me on to a line buried deep in Susan Schmidt's Joe Wilson Affair story for the Washington Post:

According to the former Niger mining minister, Wilson told his CIA contacts, Iraq tried to buy 400 tons of uranium in 1998.

OOPS! Should have read the comments - It was Iran. WP corrected.

Butler-Report, Lord Huttons Bericht und vor allem die Kriegsgrunddiskussion - das alles wurde in deutschen Medien parolenartig abgehandelt, und so wird es auch fortgesetzt. Bush-Gegner werden gelobt und gepreist und ausgezeichnet. Selbst angeblich "seriöse" Zeitungen wie die ZEIT haben sich da angeschlossen.

Was tun? Weblogs sind doch ein erster Schritt.

jo,
Don't act as if all Europeans are well informed.. they aren't - I am an American who lives in Germany, and there are plenty of misconceptions about the USA. By the way I am no flag waving patriot, I have lived here six years and may live the rest of my life here. As Mark Twain said..
It isn't what we don't know that is dangerous, it is what we know that just ain't so...
So... we (americans) are WELTFREMD? Most Wessies (or at least a large minority) have never even BEEN in the neuen Bundesländer.. Many Germans are weltfremd in their own country..
jo... how much does the average German know about the politics of Belgium? Canada? Japan?
Just because the average German has some knowledge (often half truths - Michael Moore is GOD here you know)about America, doesn't mean they are well informed about the REST of the world.
for better or worse, the USA is the world's only superpower.. OF COURSE most people will have an opinion about it and be somewhat informed..
but Belgium? Slovakia? Outer Mongolia?
the average German is probably just as uninformed about these countries as the average ami.
The Americans are arrogant? REALLY?
Isn't besserwisser a synonym for arrogant?
Say Jo are you a besserwessi?
The Americans have no culture? REALLY`?
Did you read that in Bild Zeitung or did Dieter Bohlen sing a song about it? Besides
here there is German LEITKULTUR..
and on it goes...

Gary wrote:
1. We know about our soldiers being accosted on German streets.
2. We know your Holocaust memorials are being vandalized while Germans call us nazis.
3. We're very aware that both Germanys armed and trained Saddam's terror apparatus.
4. We know your government gave US military intelligence to him.

Hi Gary!
Except for point 2, I never heard of the accusations you state here. Could you please elaborate on the other three points? It may be a bit demanding, but I would be really be interested in facts (and references!) these accusations are based on.

Thank you!

Verfasst,

1. The New York Times did a piece last year about the US considering relocating our military out of Germany, and the remark was deep in the story. I also heard it from a very well-placed senior military official with direct knowledge. My brother was stationed there and told me relations were so bad he spat on Germany the day he came home.

3. The Seattle Times, 1991 and Der Spiegel, 1989 (or '90). Both articles were posted on the Web earlier this week.

4. The London Telegraph. A reporter and translator found extensive files in an Iraqi secret police office in Baghdad shortly after the city fell. The documents detailed how the Schroeder government, using diplomatic cover, gave the information to Saddam. The story appeared elsewhere but I can't recall where.

I found these articles on Internet sites that, according to the Google toolbar page rank dingus, were visited quite a lot of people. (You might want to get it yourself. It's a great pop up blocker. Go to www.google.toolbar.com.)

Steve,
"the average German is probably just as uninformed about these countries as the average ami"
I agree with you on that!

you will never hear me saying that (all) Americans are arrogant, well, some are but that's not different from any other nation. And you will never hear me saying that Americans have no culture even though I know that some of my fellow Germans actually believe that. But these very same people also go to see every Hollywood movie out there and they also watch countless US TV shows; they might even go to an Andy Warhol exhibition or an Aaron Copeland concert or read a John Steinbeck novel. So, don't bother with them.

I hope there is no such thing as LEITKULTUR. What would that be? Musikantenstadl? This whole leitkultur discussion was pretty racist and I hope it's over.

BTW, I'm not a Besserwessi. But I have been to pretty much every Bundesland.

gary,
"verfasst von" means "composed by", so look for names after the colon ":" My name for instance is "jo" and not "verfasst".

Jo,

Live and learn...

By the way, we bought the Saab not because it was made in Sweden -- or because of it -- but because my wife thinks the CTS is ugly. It is, but it goes like hell and is the most comfortable thing I've ever been in. As for the VW, I had a Mexican-built Jetta that fell apart around me. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, broke on the Audi. The repair bills were astronomical.

Now for the rest of it. I can see why you or anyone else would want to play down bad news or else the stress would be way too damaging. But the US has been maligned in Germany and throughout Europe for decades. We're not perfect, but we sure don't deserve the treatment we get there and we're reacting accordingly.

Don't dismiss the boycott too readily (Germans started it, by the way). Those who pay attention only to mainstream media and the cultural elite would miss the intensifying anger of the rest of us.

This is the first phase of divorce, and I doubt reconciliation would be easy or even doable.

jo,
thanks for your honesty. Most of my comments were not accusations against you, but rather general observations as to what I have experienced here as an American in Germany.
I would be the first to agree that there are arrogant Americans - perhaps many of them.
But arrogance is a human trait, not just an American one. Does the US throw its weight around, sometimes - perhaps often - like a bull in the China shop?
Yes. But those with power USE it. I often ask myself what Schroeder and Chirac would be like if they had the power and influence of Bush. And to be honest I don't like the picture I come up with.
Have you read Kagan's book yet? there is a short version of it on the web - do a search under
Kagan. it supposedly was required reading at EU HQ in Brussels
I often ask people.. YES, the USA is the world's only superpower... and YES it doesn't always use its power wisely.. but would you rather have Russia as the world's only superpower? China?
Japan and Germany we have experienced as world powers.. not impressed (sorry, cheap shot, but true).
I sometimes want to stand on the corner here and scream
'Is there any problem on the face of this earth for which the USA is NOT the cause?'
my favorite is when Germans use the term American imperialists...
Germany and Japan were Americas erzfeinde in WWII.
Today they are the second and third richest countries in the world.. If that is imperialism, than yes, I am PROUD to be an imperialist.

Perhaps you should note that the Senate report did not conclude that Bush didn't lie. They will publish their results about wether the administration misrepresented some of the intelligence after the election. The evidence that they did this is, however, very convincing.
And - despite the new report - the pressure on secret services still remains a question of debate.

warum nur o warum wollen die Deutschen es nicht verstehen?

"A conversation about current events in the political world between a father and his child...

Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction, honey.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had thoseweapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves

Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons to fight us back with?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government.People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalists?
A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men, fifteen of them Saudi Arabians hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands?
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off for other reasons?
A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of Patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets, I mean the Russians, are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A: Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Good night, Daddy."

Note from David: I came to the conclusion that this is a joke actually produced by a neocon to present practically all prejudices held by left-wing nuts about the Bush administration. Thanks for sharing these mad left-wing phantasies with us...

Small Point: In 1989 GM bought 50% of Saab and in 2000 bought the rest of Saab. So Saab is owned by the same company which makes Cadillac.

After reading Garby's post I finally begin to understand why some people seem to believe Al Franken were funny. Humor has come a long way among the Left.

This always gets me when I see these idiotic distortion based "Q&As":

"A conversation about current events in the political word between a father and his child.."

Which is about as convincing as the rest of it.

Sorry folks,

I thought simple-minded jokes about a simple-minded President of Good and Evil wouldn't hurt anyone.

I do apologise

With all due respect, Garby, you sound like an idiot.

garby
what you wrote is a good example of schwarzweiss denken (black and white thinking),... wait, I thought only GEorge Bush does that?!?!?

Hey, Joe;

I knew GM owns Saab outright and I wish they'd put that turbo in more cars. Sweet it is. By the way apropos nothing, the CTS engine was made in Britain and the transmission in Italy. The sticker on the door says "Made with Pride in Michigan."

PS: Here's hoping there's no more Q&A with Daddy. People on this thread seem smarter than that.

60 % der Briten glauben immer noch, daß Blair gelogen habe. Da nutzen keine Untersuchungsberichte. Die werden als inkorrekt und ebenfalls verlogen zurückgewiesen. Allen Bush-Unterstützern hat man den Lügenvorwurf gemacht, so war es auch in Australien. Das Ergebnis des Untersuchungsberichts findet keine Beachtung in deutschen Medien (mag ja sein, daß auf Seite 100 unten links ganz klein eine Nachricht darüber zu finden ist). Die NZZ berichtet mit einem Artikel:
22. Juli 2004, 09:05, NZZ Online


"Auch australische Regierung erhält Persilschein für Irak-Politik
Geheimdienstmaterial korrekt behandelt
Der Untersuchungsbericht zur australischen Geheimdienstarbeit vor dem Irak-Krieg hat die Regierung von Manipulationsvorwürfen entlastet. Die Arbeit des Geheimdienstes soll jedoch transparenter werden, empfiehlt die Untersuchungskommission."

http://nzz.ch/2004/07/22/al/page-newzzDWYJBCRN-12.html

Aber wer vorher Lüge geschrien hat, kann ja kein Interesse daran haben darzustellen, daß man so falsch lag.

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