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i wouldn't really say that these three politicians have 'robust' poll numbers. bush's is about normal for a us president, but tony blair's is anemic at best, and rumsfeld isn't exactly loved by too many people either.

"Chinas Premier Wen Jiabao beendet Staatsbesuch
von Andreas Middel

Berlin - Bevor Chinas Ministerpräsident Wen Jiabao heute die deutsche Hauptstadt Richtung Brüssel verlässt, sind 18 Kooperationsabkommen unterzeichnet. Gleich drei Mal nahm sich Bundeskanzler Gerhard Schröder Zeit für den hohen Gast. Der Lohn der Kanzlermühen: Milliardenprojekte im Reich der Mitte für eine Reihe von deutschen Unternehmen. Infineon investiert rund eine Milliarde Dollar in eine Chipfabrik in Shanghai, Daimler-Chrysler kann wohl Ende 2005 mit der Produktion von 25 000 Mercedes-Pkws beginnen, VW verkündet ebenfalls den Bau eines neuen Fahrzeugwerkes, die Degussa will einen Kooperationsvertrag mit chinesischen Partnern abschließen, und auch Siemens gründet ein Gemeinschaftsunternehmen mit der chinesischen High-Tech-Firma XJ Electric.


Selbst der vom grünen Regierungspartner vehement abgelehnte Export der Hanauer Brennelementefabrik steht nach den Gesprächen zwischen Schröder und Wen wieder auf der Tagesordnung. Der Antrag werde in den zuständigen Ministerien geprüft "und nach Sach- und Rechtslage entschieden", sagte Schröder. Der Antrag von Siemens sei nicht zurückgezogen worden, so Schröder. Wen beteuerte noch einmal, die Nutzung der Anlage diene ausschließlich friedlichen Zwecken."

So berichtet man in der WELT über China. Kein "kritsches" Wort, sachliche Darstellung. Todesstrafen (Wieviel haben China, wieviele die USA?) und Menschenrechtsverletzungen werden nicht erwähnt. Keine bizarren Fotos mit blöden Gesichtern, keine Spekulationen, Lügenunterstellungen. Nichts davon. China - USA. Da kommen die USA schlecht bei weg. Und da möge man sich einmal vorstellen, wie die Situation in China tatsächlich ist!


i wouldn't really say that these three politicians have 'robust' poll numbers. bush's is about normal for a us president, but tony blair's is anemic at best, and rumsfeld isn't exactly loved by too many people either.

"Under pressure" appears a fitting headline, when looking at reactions: Yesterday were Bi-Partisan calls in the US-Senate for a hearing on this matter. And instead of further downplaying things like it appears here a bit, I think it's a smart step by George Bush to offensively adress these issues later today in interviews on al-Hurra and al-Arabiya network to make clear that any of this is very un-American and will be prosecuted.

And the influential Washington Post has this morning an editorial - here an excerpt.
...
The foundation for the crimes at Abu Ghraib was laid more than two years ago, when Mr. Rumsfeld instituted a system of holding detainees from Afghanistan not only incommunicado, without charge, and without legal process, but without any meaningful oversight mechanism at all. Brushing off his violation of the Geneva Conventions, Mr. Rumsfeld maintained that the system was necessary to extract important intelligence. But it was also an invitation to abuses -- and reports of those abuses have been appearing since at least December 2002, when a Post story reported on harsh "stress and duress" interrogation techniques bordering on physical torture.
...

@Gabi
So berichtet man in der WELT über China. Kein "kritsches" Wort, sachliche Darstellung.

Als ai-Mitglied sage ich Dir: Leider. Aber Dein Fingerzeig auf Deutschland ist merkwürdig: Schon mal die Handelszahlen zwischen China und den USA angeschaut im Vergleich zu Deutschland? Was meinst Du, wieviele Geschenke von US-Freunden an mich ein "Made in China" draufhatten? Mich haut das selber jedesmal um.

Leider handelt beim Thema China die ganze westliche Welt doppel-moralisch, Deutschland, die USA oder sonstwer.

Rummy's using a pseudo cobra fist in this picture.
See the 1000 styles of Rumsfeld:
http://www.poe-news.com/features.php?feat=31845

Thema ist hier: DEUTSCHE Medienkritik.

"Ohne Gewaltanwendung ist die Bekämpfung des Terrorismus nicht möglich. Die Behauptung, dass Gewalt politische Probleme nicht lösen kann, ist falsch. Die erste, grundlegende Einsicht in das Wesen des Terrorismus lautet: Die Anwendung von etwas Gewalt ist häufig kontraproduktiv. Massive Gewalt dagegen ist fast immer erfolgreich."

sagt Laqueur in der WELT:

http://www.welt.de/data/2004/05/05/273477.html

Mir fällt dazu Israel ein!

Vor Kommentierungen bitte beachten:

Hamburg (dpa/lno) - Das Hamburger Landgericht hat in zweiter Instanz den umstrittenen Rechtsanwalt Horst Mahler wegen Billigung von Terroranschlägen zu einer Geldstrafe von 7800 Euro verurteilt. Der einstige Mitbegründer der RAF und spätere NPD-Anwalt hatte die Anschläge in den USA vom 11. September 2001 in einem Fernsehmagazin als «rechtens» bezeichnet. Nach Ansicht des Gerichts war die Äußerung eine Störung öffentlichen Friedens. In erster Instanz hatte das Hamburger Amtsgericht Mahler freigesprochen.

aus WELT-Newsticker

In den deutschen Medien "stürmt man in den Tod", wenn die thailändische Armee junge Männer abknallt. Erst im nächsten Absatz werden sie dann "niedergeschossen", aber die Tatsache der Tötung als solche wird nicht "kritisch" hinterfragt. Stellt euch mal vor, das wäre in den USA passiert oder im Irak durch die US-Soldaten! Nicht auszudenken, welche Empörung durch Deutschland gegangen wäre.

"Thailands Armee fürchtet weitere moslemische Angriffswelle
Waren Separatisten die Drahtzieher der Gewalt?
von Sophie Mühlmann

Singapur - ... Erst nach dem Angriff auf eine Polizeistation, als das gesamte Team im Alter zwischen 19 und 26 Jahren mit offenen Augen in den Tod gestürmt war, erinnerte man sich im Dorf an ihr merkwürdiges Verhalten unlängst.


107 Männer, fast alle noch jung, sind heute vor einer Woche von den Sicherheitskräften niedergeschossen worden, als sie in einer konzertierten Aktion Polizeistationen und Checkpoints angriffen - bewaffnet mit Messern, Macheten und Gewehren."

http://www.welt.de/data/2004/05/05/273550.html

@gabi Mir fällt dazu Israel ein!

was bitte finden sie denn an der israelischen politik erfolgreich? es gibt keinen fortschritt irgendeiner art, oder hab ich was uebersehen? ein hamas-fuehrer wurde durch einen zweiten ersetzt und dieser durch einen dritten. weitere selbstmordattentate waren die folge.

Klink,

Too bad you only chose to read one article from the WP. (I would disagree with you about the influence it has but that is for another day.)

I would have suggested you also read Drifting Apart By Robert J. Samuelson
Wednesday, May 5, 2004; Page A29

As I am sure you are not interested some others might be. It is an interesting analysis of where we are. Here is a link.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2331-2004May4.html

Unlike the massive pressure face by Schroeder--what, 25% approval?

NTV ist Teil von CNN! CNN weiss aber nicht, was NTV sendet!

NTV is part of CNN. Sp please tell CNN about NTV!

David

Schroeder is not under pressure. I mean someone has to be the leader. The German people have the man they wanted. The good news they get to have him for what another 4 years. With luck he will win election again and can continue to provide the German people with the leadership they deserve.

"The article's first line reads: Donald Rumsfeld is under massive pressure."
I´m still looking for the word "massive" in your translation of "Donald Rumsfeld unter Druck".

"The article's first line reads: Donald Rumsfeld is under massive pressure."
I´m still looking for the word "massive" in your translation of "Donald Rumsfeld unter Druck".

I think it's a smart step by George Bush to offensively adress these issues later today in interviews on al-Hurra and al-Arabiya network to make clear that any of this is very un-American and will be prosecuted.

I'm impressed Klink, first you defend gun ownership, now you are calling George Bush's actions "smart." More evidence that this site is making a difference.

Seriously though, we are in no way trying to downplay abuse. We just think it is somewhat of a double standard that the German media (and most of the Western world) turned its back on hundreds of thousands of victims of Saddam's regime (who were subject to far worse forms of torture, mutilation, rape and killings) and are now suddenly so incredibly outraged when a small group of misfits who were clearly out of line and who are a disgrace to every member of the US Army and have been categorically denounced by everyone in the government abuse Iraqi prisoners. Yes, Rumsfeld should be held accountable for this type of unacceptable conduct, but why wasn't Saddam and why aren't others who torture on a mass scale. Another clear case of asymmetric journalism.

Alte Weisheit von profunder Seite neu dargestellt:

"Krieg verwandelt Menschen in brutale Folterer"


http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,298455,00.html

The following is an excerpt taken from an article published in the 'VIRGINIAN PILOT' VA:

"The pictures are appalling. And they will cost us dearly. Our image abroad will suffer as a result of these photos. More importantly, the saftety of our troops is at risk because of them."

The writer didn't critisize the media but the soldiers in question. I watched CBS when these pictures first aired. Yes, they are appalling but so is Dan Rather and CBS. They knew what was to follow. The german media couldn't be happier and Al Quaida got terrific propaganda. What did this media frenzie accomplish, now, that the whole story is blown out of proportion?

It would have been better to let the Army handle the situation quietly. But no, CBS declares that the people have a right to know, never mind national security. Ratings and sensationlism are en voque.

An old german proverb comes to mind: "Reden ist silver, schweigen ist gold".

@Ray D.
I'm impressed Klink, first you defend gun ownership, now you are calling George Bush's actions "smart."

Don't forget I previously also lauded Bush for handling the first weeks past 9/11 quite well in regards to the American psyche. (You will be on my witnesslist now, next time someone comes up with the usual "Klink _only_ sees Bush negative" *g*)

Seriously though, we are in no way trying to downplay abuse.

I think "very bad timing" is perhaps the best expression for my feeling when I seen Gabi's immediate comparisons or Samir's blog-posting. And it seems even many Republicans do not feel that this has been "blown out of proportion" in the US, as Virgina now wrote, but is a genuine issue. (But - Americans being Americans ;-) - most of them care little over the international media, but mostly that this issue is so very un-American)

@Niko
Just in theses days Wen Jiabao has been warmly welcomed by our political leaders.

And this was even only a few months after Wen Jiabo has been welcomed at the White House by George W. Bush.

So let's just count how often in these days Wen Jiabao has been receiving unfavorable coverage by our media. Let's compare that figure to the unfavorable reporting on George W. Bush in these days.

I find such counts actually a bit disgusting considering "quiet" tragedies like Sudan, but anyways...

News-Google.de had still 262 hits as of 22:30pm CET for 'China human-rights' (dropping, since the visit is in the past). And as I said, comparing would be disgustingly misleading, or how many hits does the US-press (or the German as well) give the Sudan-Disaster in comparison to Iraq? Anyone know?

Let's talk business-numbers: Who is a bigger trade-partner with China - USA or Germany?

And George Bush's brother Neil Bush really was signing a million-dollar deal with a company that the son of former China-boss Jiang Zemin is involved with - despite having no education for it, according to REUTERS? I am sure the deal had nothing to do with being by chance a member of such a powerful Texan family, right?

As I preach over and over: Holding up each other side's human-rights issues won't go anywhere, it is about STRATEGIC DECISIONS. Cheney-Halliburton, UN-UNSCAM....both sides repeat their silly mantras.

Your effort to tie VP Chenny to Hallibuton would be the same as me linking you to the Nazi's and Bergen-Belsen.

Are you sure you want to bring this discussion to this level?

@Joe
Your effort to tie VP Chenny to Hallibuton would be the same as me linking you to the Nazi's and Bergen-Belsen.

Go apologize, you idiot: Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, so there is a tie in the past - unlike with me and Bergen-Belsen.

I do tend to get rude at strange concentration-camp arguments, especially from the right. And I actually only quoted here the classic mantras from the left and the right - I mocked both of them as rather unimportant as the greater picture - look up the meaning of "both sides repeat their silly mantras".

Klink

As you can see I was not amused either.

I frankly don’t care what you were pointing out since once Cheney accepted the position as candidate for VP he cut his business ties.

However should you chose not to accept the difference between private and public life then so be it. Then you make every thing fair game.

SUDAN

There are some who consider the genocide taking place within Sudan to be a great tragedy.

Sudan just became a member of the UN Human Rights Commission.

The US walked out in protest.

Germany also a member of the same Commission did what?

Does this mean that Germany does not believe genocide is taking place in Sudan?

Does it mean that genocide can only take place against those who only have white skin?

Does it mean that Germany really does not care what takes place in Sudan?

Where are the core principles, which represent the German people? Do they even exist?

Does it mean that Germany has a better way to show its position than walking out?

Do the Germans really care one way or the other?


So given that neither france nor Germany joined the US in this protest, it would once again appear that not only is the US wrong in her actions but is also on the wrong side of the European postion on genocide.


klink- your a true asswipe in the real sense.
you defend the crap the german media spews with simplistic drivel.
you defend the crap the german govt feeds it's citizens in order for them to not look inward and see the grand extent of the failures all around them. You try to wipe the arse of your sophmoric media yet you only manage to smear the debris upon yourself.
You should spend allot more time creating ANYTHING worthy of mention on the world stage for your nation that might come from or be a creation of germany's. come on, it's been a while.

Joe: Does it mean that Germany really does not care what takes place in Sudan?

Oh, of course it does, you American cowboy. In a typical, European, nuancend, multi-faceted, complex, deep, human, loving, peaceful way.

This is a classical case when a "tiny" example speaks volumes. The German (and European) thinking is again, and again, and again... : let's not upset anyone, not even little genocidal Sudan.

Does anyone here hope that Germany and the European countries will EVER become some sort of beacon of light and inspiration for downtrodden nations ? :-)) The European nations let themselves be manipulated at any level. What was that ugly, neo-con word ? Appeasers ?

I really don't understand why wouldn't Germany strongly protest something like this ???? Is Germany ever going to take position in the UN against something important (besides being a leader of the US critics) ? Will they EVER have the moral courage to stand up for more than the new religion, Environment and its new holy trinity: Recycling, non-Polution and non-Atomic energy ?

I guess the US judged Sudan too harshly (again, those stupid Amis), lacking that deep understanding and compassion so abundant nowadays in Europe. You see, we in Europe have to have understanding for dictators and dictatorships above all, for they who are in darkenss shall need our help more than anyone else. The US shall go its hateful way and we, EUROPE shall spread light, love, peace and understanding throughout the whole world, nay, Universe.

I am PROUD to be EUROPEAN, proud of our culture and traditions. In fact, I enjoy so much living in the past that I don't even want to see the present. The present is a dream, the only thing that REALLY matters is not who I AM, but who I WAS. You Americans, were NOTHING and we were EVERYTHING. Therefore, automatically we ARE everything. Don't you see the subtle logic of this ? Do you want us to hold your hands and explain this to you compassionately European ? Do you think you will be able to understand all this, American little brother ?

Every day I look in the mirror and I ask myself: what have you #$%&*$@ idiot done in your past life that you were reborn here ?

That's good, Hillary Clinton. We have to concentrate on this in the USA (both parties) and in Germany (all parties). We know this now for so many years. Nothing has changed so far.


05.05.2004, 10:39 Uhr

Hillary Clinton verurteilt Hetze

WASHINGTON (inn) - Hillary Clinton hat die anti-israelische Hetze in den palästinensischen Schulbüchern kritisiert. Die palästinensischen Schüler würden zu "Hass gegen Israel und zu Antisemitismus" erzogen, sagte die US-Senatorin am Dienstag auf der Jahreskonferenz der jüdischen Anti-Defamation-League in Washington.

Sie setze sich dafür ein, dass Staaten für den Inhalt ihrer Lehrbücher und der nationalen Zeitungen verantwortlich gemacht würden, so Clinton. Dazu gehörten auch antisemitische Veröffentlichungen.

Wie die Ehefrau von Ex-Präsident Bill Clinton weiter mitteilte, hat ihr kürzlich ein Senatsmitglied Ausschnitte aus palästinensischen Fernsehsendungen vorgespielt. Darin werden Selbstmordanschläge verherrlicht, berichtet die Tageszeitung "Jediot Aharonot". "Ich habe die Kassetten in den Senat eingebracht, weil ich wollte, dass die Leute sehen, wie durch Manipulation die Kindheit entstellt und unschuldiges Leben zerstört wird", sagte sie.

Clinton kritisierte auch die internationale Gemeinschaft, in der es fortdauernde Bemühungen gebe, "Israels Position zu verletzen". Ein Beispiel seien die Bestrebungen, Israel wegen des Sicherheitszaunes vor dem Internationalen Gerichtshof in Den Haag zu verklagen. "Wir haben protestiert - mit dem selbstverständlichen Argument, dass der Zaun gebaut wird, um Gewalt zu verhindern, nicht, um Gewalt zu verursachen. Er soll Gewalt verhindern, wie den Mord an der schwangeren Frau am Wochenende."

Die Senatorin betonte, dass Israel ein Recht habe, sich selbst zu verteidigen. "Was würden wir tun, wenn systematisch Menschen aus Kanada und Mexiko eindrängen, um Amerikaner zu ermorden?", fragte sie. "Wir würden handeln. Das ist das Recht auf Selbstverteidigung und die Pflicht jedes Staates, seine Bürger zu schützen." (eh)





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@Joe
I frankly don’t care what you were pointing out since once Cheney accepted the position as candidate for VP he cut his business ties.

Your point is? Just like the Nazis in your nasty comparison are no more in concentration camp Bergen-Belsen today.

@Niko
Es gibt aber über das frühere Angestelltenverhältnis hinaus keine Verflechtungen mehr.

1. Ich habe "Cheney-Halliburton" geschrieben, nicht mehr
2. Ich habe klar gemacht, es für "silly" zu halten
3. Es gibt seit Jahrzehnten keine Nazis mehr in Bergen-Belsen, insofern ist sein Argument "linking Cheney to Halliburton is like linking you..." sehr wohl eindeutig.

Some of you are really in an amusing full partisan-ship defensive mode: Anything goes if it's "one of your side" - but let's all be upset and make it a topic, if SPIEGEL should write "Rumsfeld under pressure". Hilarious hypocrisy.

Noteworthy also the deafening silence from David here now with Joe up to now, while he just got yesterday morally upset on another issue with "space".

Anything goes if it's "one of your side" - but let's all be upset and make it a topic, if SPIEGEL should write "Rumsfeld under pressure". Hilarious hypocrisy.

No anything does not go. Again, we are pointing out the double standard. Bash America when America does wrong, let other countries off the hook when they do far worse. I think the point here is that the media coverage is biased and that is what we are "upset" about. As my article showed, it is also highly predictable in its knee-jerk reactions to anything that goes wrong for the Bush/Blair Administrations, and, in fact, that was the point of my article.

The Headline: "Bush/Blair/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Republicans/Neocons + Unter massiven Druck" (in English "under massive pressure") is clearly the most loved and most overused slogan thrown around by the German media. No doubt about it.

"Under pressure" is a favorite in American media too, usually when something/anything happens you'll see "under increased or growing pressure", or some other variant. I never really thought about it because it's so typical (everyone and everything is under various levels of pressure apparently) you become numb to pressure. But this post made me think about how asinine the phrase "under pressure" is in the news media. Yeah, Bush is under pressure, yeah Rumsfeld's under pressure, what should that mean to us the reader? Is that actually news? Should it also be reported when they're coming out of pressure? "TODAY THE PRESSURE WAS RELEASED FROM BUSH". How about you just make the damn article headline relevent to FACTS in the article, not some dopey cliche based purely on the writer's subjective perception like "under pressure".

Back To SUDAN

I just don’t understand why it is so difficult for European nations to take a stand on an issue like this.

I say the following with all sincerity. It would seem something like the Sudan would be an easy call for Germany to make given its past history. Germany could play an externally important role in the world as a supporter of human rights. To do this would require Germany to take action and where it could to use what influence it has to support these principles.

Had Germany joined the US in walking out of the Commission meeting it would have been a very visual actions. Yes, it would have been a symbolical one but it would have spoken volumes to the world. It would have been more powerful than all the speeches German government officials will give on this topic in the next year.

The support of human rights might be the greatest contribution Germany could make in the arena of world affairs.

To do this however would require it to take principled stances. It could be done with almost little risk to Germany.

Anyone who still harbors any illusions about the U.S. media being an organ of the Bush administration should check out today's stories about Rumsfeld. They're mostly slightly milder versions of the trademark SPIEGEL "Rumsfeld mehr und mehr unter Druck" line. It might be instructive for German readers to continue to follow this story for awhile. Rumsfeld has shown a marked reluctance to grovel before the mainstream media in the U.S. since his days in the Nixon administration. Our "objective journalists" have a very long memory when it comes to paying back politicians who defy them. If Rumsfeld gives them the slightest opportunity to attack him from the "moral high ground," they will be all over him. Stay tuned. Bush is stubborn, of course, but you may be treated to a classic media assassination of a major politician.

Group: Bloody Ethnic Cleansing in Sudan Posted on Thu, May. 06, 2004
NIKO PRICE
Associated Press
CAIRO, Egypt - Sudan is waging a bloody campaign of "ethnic cleansing" in the western Darfur region, killing thousands of people and driving more than 1 million more from their homes by bombing villages, shooting men and raping women, a prominent human rights group said Friday.
Human Rights Watch, based in New York, called on the U.N. Security Council, scheduled to meet Friday on the Darfur situation, to step in to help stop the bloodshed and look for evidence of crimes against humanity.
The rights group likened the situation in Darfur to the beginning of the 1994 genocide in Rwanda, when 500,000 people were slaughtered by a government-backed, extremist militia. The international community has been widely criticized for not intervening to stop the bloodshed


What will Germany do?

Do the Germans ever care?

Joe: What will Germany do?

So far nothing.

Do the Germans ever care?

So far no.

And Joe, please stop asking those insinuating questions. Right now Germany cares much more about: "Rumsfeld under pressure" and "Bush says sorry". There have always been genocides and there will always be. What's so different about this one in Sudan ?

There are other things more important in German media right now. The European Soccer Championship starts in one month and the German team isn't very convincing. THOSE are real problems. Oh, did I mention that "Rumsfeld is under pressure". If not, I'll do it now: Rumsfeld is under pressure !!!

WhatDoIKnow

Thanks. Glad you pointed out that Rummy is under pressure. Did not know that

the New York Times is just going nuts over this. I have to think that more than half of its Friday edition is devoted to taking cheap shots are Rummy.

He will testify before Congress tomorrow. That should be interesting.

We don't play soccer here so the big news in Germany is of little interest.

Just shows we really are all those things that the euro's think we are... grrr!

@WhatDoIKnow


Ooops

Sorry forgot to take credit for the last post. Surely would not want some poor frenchman to get blamed for not supporting the NYT.

@WhatDoIKnow

Oh, and I think the french play soccer too. This is good they surely need something to be proud of.

Not to be down on all my German friends but I hope the french do well as they need a bit of an ego boost as their nation continues in decline.

@Joe

The French are funny (when they aren't playing on the political world scene).

Most of them used to look down at soccer. Soccer was the sport of the simplest people, and as you know, there aren't many of those in France. You might have heard that France had a great culture ;-) Over there, even the street cleaners run around with a small copy of Voltaire's writings in their pockets. They read it during lunch break. The rest of us can only dream of that...

But then something unexpected happened ! France won the World Cup. Everybody threw away their Voltaire copies and started reading the soccer page. Amazing !

Through the grace of the French, soccer has become a very noble pastime. Right next to Voltaire and Sartre.

Some journalists seriously said that this win brought a new sense of "nation" to France.

@WhatDoIKnow

Thanks for the note on accomplishment of french soccer. Glad they have something they can finally consider themselves to be world class winners in.

Hey, you deleted my comment! ...

Note from David: Yes, all of them. And I will do so in the future.

You called me "Schnitzler", an infamous former communist tv-ass.

I follow this rule: "You want control over what is posted? Get your own blog. (I did.) You are playing in her house, so you play by her rules. Comment at your own risk."

If it's not up to the standards I set, then you're out.

OK?

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