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Some good news.

Second-most important thing for real men in this world: Football. (And I call it "football" on purpose)

And in case some of you are football-ignorant: A German is the responsible coach for the Iraqi National Team, Bernd Stange. (He bizarrly took the job shortly before the war, still under Saddam - and got a _lot_ of heckling for this in the German media)

An outbreak of wild gunfire sounded across Baghdad on Wednesday night as Iraq celebrated its soccer team's qualification for the 2004 Olympics.

Think the Americans are going to beat the soccer team like Saddam did when they lost.

As Old Sport would... That evil Bush!

I actually do visit, read and even comment on other blogs besides this one. You guys are by far the most fun espcially those who take the position of Klink, Sophos and Mathesar. They paint a very clear picture of where euroland is today and where euroland will probably be next year and 3 years from now and 6 years from now. I hope all of you are really paying attention to what they are saying.

Here is comment from another blog for all you Kerry fans. This is more or less a democrat blog and most to these people live in California. Please read it carefully for it is the future many of you hope for……


The Democrats have been reduced to the role of a particularly cynical critic--oppose everything, propose nothing. Their eagerness to get on the opposite side of every issue as the president would be amusing if it weren't so potentially destructive. Kerry, hilariously, was suggesting a timetable for the turnover of Iraq in December; now that a timetable has been agreed upon, he says dates shouldn't be cast in concrete.

Of course, this will get them nowhere if they actually were to get control of the reins of power. A President Kerry can't exactly say, "We're waiting for former President Bush to announce his position before we come up with ours." Glenn Reynolds points out in his MSNBC column that Kerry would be a weak president because he would have no mandate other than to be Mr ABB. The Againster as Catherine put it.

As an aside, is everybody aware that Michael Berg, the father of Nick Berg, is a member of International ANSWER?


This comment was posted by a two time Clinton voter and a one time Gore voter and is an office holder of a local democratic party organization.

The comments about ABB are very valid as all the polls numbers show the majorty of Kerry's support are from ABB’ers. Historically those who are against a candidate are less likely to actually vote on election day than those who support a candiadate.

So I have to assume euroland wants to see a weak US President as long as it is not Bush. If that is true I personally fear for us all.

"Like supporting Bush's Iraq policy"
ummm, WHAT Iraq policy?

Klink,

How in the world can this be considered to be good news?

This is the guy Germans elected to carry them to the promise land.

Now they want to dump him because in what 4 or is it 6 years the only thing he has really done that he said he would do was not support the US.

Hell he stood up to the US. He told the EU, yea we know the rules about the euro ...but go piss up a rope. He told the new 10, be like Germany or pay for you sins. I mean this a leader that is both smart and hard as steel.

I find this hard to believe. Don't Germans read newspapers?

I would not however count him out. I am sure he has a long list of Hitler insults just waiting for Bush or Kerry.

Some how why do I think he is going to transfer all that is wrong in Germany and make it the fault of the US. ........hmm!

@Confused,

?? Did not understand you comment.

@Joe
I actually do visit, read and even comment on other blogs besides this one.

Can you name them? I visit left and right blogs - I would be curious what left blogs the usual suspects here *regularly* read, if any. Joe, WhatDoIKnow, Pato, Sandy?

As an aside, is everybody aware that Michael Berg, the father of Nick Berg, is a member of International ANSWER?

Of course. I read "HERE IS THE ENEMY" by the Bush-worshippers over at right-wing Free Republic here. I never heard about ANSWER before, frankly, but the headline says it all, no? (I also love their "barf alert" when a liberal journalist is quoted - apparently chosen by the natives on that FR-site to signal to others something worth reading)

How in the world can this be considered to be good news?

I had actually meant the football-news. But of course Schröder dropping in the polls is also good news as well - Schröder's popularity amongst Germans is only matched or beaten by that of George W. Bush.

I just hope the conservatives won't be so stupid to openly endorse Bush's Iraq policy, but go for an international mandate, if anything (but reading Schäuble or others recently, I doubt they would be so foolish to spoil their sure election-successes).

What would this mean for Germany-US relations if the CDU/CSU parties were to win in the next relations?

Klink - what happens if Iraq "settles down" in the next few months?

Actually, most of the country is settled.

How many Iraqi bloggers do you read?

And geez, it's bad enough I've got lefties to the left, lefties to the right, above me, below me and now I have to read their blogs, too?

Their stuff filters in from lots of other places.

Have you checked out Democratic Underground (DU)?

How's this for ironic - I guess it would be the proper word.

I told my husband this at least a month ago about the Olympics.

If Afghanistan and Iraq are in the Olympics, wild applause.

While we, who are the reason they are there, will be booed (and then some).

WILL GERMANY APOLOGIZE?

Tehran to unveil plaque denouncing Germany's supply of chemical weapons during 1980s

Iranian authorities plan to erect a plaque outside the German embassy on Friday denouncing Germany's contribution to Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal. . . .

The head of the city council, Mehdi Chamran, demanded the German government apologize to the Iranian nation and to the victims of the chemical weapons and their families.


@Wes,

It would depend on what positions they took toward a wide range of issues The UN, NATO, and Iraq to name just a few.

What these might be and whether they could change the attitude of the German people would seem to be debatable.

Germans need to ask themselves do you really want to see a weaker US.

I just cannot believe that they do. I cannot see how that is in their self interest. Of course, I am probably missing something really important and I sure wish someone would tell me what it is.

Hmmm ... soon more Germans will support Bush than Schröder.

Supposedly those thinking of founding a splinter party from the SPD ("Arbeitsgruppe Sozialgerechtigkeit" or whatever it's called) believe they have a potential of gaining 20% of the vote. If the SPD has 21% before the split, does that mean Schröder and the non-social part of the SPD would only get 1%?

How can it be a historical low when they were at the same low two months ago?

Note from David: A time series can have one minimum, two minima, three... ZDF speaks of "Tiefstwert" (lowest value), dpa calls it "historisches Tief" (historical low).
In any case - does it really matter? It's a disaster for the SPD - can we agree on that?

What's so great about Bush's Iraq policy, what there is of it?

As for Bush's economic policy - can Germany afford those kinds of deficits to achieve only relatively moderate, if not downright disappointing results? Bush predicted his tax cuts would result in over a million jobs by last December. He was completely wrong.

Note from David: It's the statistics, stupid! Check
http://www.interocitor.com/archives/000307.html
and add 350k for April. Let me know where you end up aggregating Dec 03 - April 04. Schroeder would love to be so "completely wrong".

Yes, David, I'm well aware of the statistics, and what I said in my previous post was accurate.

Even right now the jobs being created in the US fall short of Bush's predictions. See http://www.jobwatch.org/

Now, can Germany afford deficits of that magnitude to achieve such disappointing results? See also http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=70

Note from David: No, Germany couldn't. But the U.S. can. It's the difference between a weak and a strong economy. The U.S. can afford a higher burden of debt.
And as to the "disappointing results" - we sure know a thing or two in Germany about "disappointing results" of our government's economic policy... If we only would achieve the "disappointing results" of the Bush's policy in Germany!

Sandy, Democratic Underground is crap. It's the lefty equivalent of freerepublic and best avoided.

Interesting lefty blogs are:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/
http://www.billmon.org/
http://angrybear.blogspot.com/

But if you don't feel like reading lefty prose, I'd also recommend Tacitus (http://www.tacitus.org/) which started out as a right-wing/conservative blog, but now has a number of guest bloggers from across the political spectrum, and usually has some interesting debates going on in comments.

The SPD's current poll numbers are a complete disaster, we can all agree on that. Actually, I'm still amazed Schröder made it to a second term.

Schröder is by far the worst chancellor germany has ever had. he got no balls to turn germany around or even to change small things. germany and big parts of europe (france) are stagnant and will remain relatively stagnant in the near future. ridicilous, how schröder calls a meager 1.5% growth a "recovery".

@ more human...

As regards the U. S. deficit in comparison to Germany's, it's just plain wrong that the U. S. would be well above Germany.

2003 was the first year that the U. S. budget deficit lay somewhat above that of Germany. And this wasn't simply because of the tax cuts (Iraq, Afghanistan!).

Concerning total debt related to GDP (Maastricht's 60 per cent criterion) the U. S. will most certainly remain below Germany after 2004 (according to data of Germany's Finance Ministry) and has been below everytime in the last years.

The differrence is this: The U. S. deficit is huge because of a deliberate choice. The U. S. could - admittedly with some pains - afford tax cuts and an expensive war and occupation. Germany's deficit isn't one of choice or a consequence of deliberate expensive policy measures. Germany is in a financial quagmire. That's not true of the U. S. Once the occupation of Iraq will be over in some years (or after June 30, if the Iraqi government decides so) and the economy keeps its recent full swing for a longer period, the U. S. budget will recover. Germany's won't.

"Gerhard, why don't you try a new concept for a change?
Like supporting Bush's Iraq policy. "

Why should he do that ? The only thing that would change is that you stop calling Germans Anti-Americans.

@human

The policy objectives for Iraq are very simple. They included the removal of Saddam, the destruction of WND’s and the ability of produce WMD’s, the establishment of a free secular democratic nation.

Which of these objectives do Germans object to?

@Mai

If you think Germany cannot in some way make a positive contribution to accomplishing the above goals that is one thing. If that is true then Germany should state that.

If you fail to see the linkage and the impact of a defeat in Iraq not only for the US but also for the Western democracies then you personify a level of ignorance that explains the domestic problems German now faces.

@human


Germans and most to the world enjoy applying a double standard to America. While I do not always agree with that I also realize that will not change.

Your fault President Bush about jobs. You fault is not that jobs are not being created but the timing of the creation of these jobs. President Bush stated his policies would do this and they are.

Now I would like to compare the statements of the leaders of france and Germany about the creation of jobs. Somewhere in the last several years, job creation was an important issue in Germany. I even believe at some point your dearly beloved leader said that if unemployment did not drop below 4.0% he would not seek reelection. Well it did not and not only did he seek reelection but was elected.

So reading your comment,President Bush is creating jobs but not according to when he stated they would be created and this is bad. The leaders of france and Germany are not creating jobs and this OK.

So in this case the double standard you apply to President Bush to your own domestic issues is really quite funny from my perspective. I hope you also see the humor in your own statement.

Are you in anyway related to Mai? Did you guys attend the same university?

Let's all shout one more time...

Bush is evil.


@human,

Look at your hatred for Bush.

You would criticize him and his policies and call him wrong because job growth started in March and not in December.

During the same time unemployment in france and Germany increased.

Do you consider your behavior to be at all rational?

@human,

I hope your next comment is going to be something about economic growth. I am not sure if President Bush made any projections on this or not. I am however if he did Klink will be able to google them up for us.

If I am to believe the reports of economic growth reported by the German government and by the US government. Germany is revising economy growth downward in quarter, while in the US economic growth is being revised upward.

Of course, this really means nothing does it to someone who can only see hate. I too hope you keep your eye on what is going on in the US and not what is going on in Germany. If you do, this will insure your dearly beloved leader will once again be elected and Germany can continue on its path to the promise land.

Remember now let’s all shout one more time….


Bush is evil!

@human,

The SPD’s current poll numbers are not a complete disaster, so we do not agree. If anything they reflect what the citizens of Germany think of the policies of the government. I would qualify this to say what Germans think of domestic policies.

Why would it be a surprise to you that your dearly beloved leader made it to a second term. The people chose him. He and his party represented the policies that the Germans felt represented their best interests. Besides I thought he told the nation about his plans for economic growth and reducing unemployment and the “German Way”. This is what the Germans wanted to hear.

I pretty much think you got the dearly beloved leader that the majority of Germans wanted.

Remember now let’s all shout one more time….


Bush is evil!

Joe: The policy objectives for Iraq are very simple. They included the removal of Saddam, the destruction of WND’s and the ability of produce WMD’s, the establishment of a free secular democratic nation.

Which of these objectives do Germans object to?

This is the whole issue, in a nutshell. This is it ! Nothing else !

But don't we all LOVE to get lost in discussions, blaming games, ego trips etc ? Yeah, that feels good, doesn't it ?

Which of the above points are wrong ? Yes, mistakes were made, and, surprise, mistakes will still be made.

Why would a normal person focus on the mistakes made when trying to solve a difficult problem, instead of focusing on solving the problem ???? Please, please, someone tell me. Klink, enlighten me. I really mean it, I'm not being ironical this time.

I guess I'm just tired of this weird game. Could things have been done another way ? Possible, but nobody proposed another viable way. So here we are.

I can understand everything, critique of the failures, dislike of Bush, you name it, everything. What my mind fails to comprehend is why this mad focus on the unwanted secondary effects and not on the main issues.

@Room 101

Please in the future do not make comments like that. They cause all types of problems.

First of all they are factual. We do not deal in facts here. It is all about emotions and ignorance.

Secondly it points out a lack of success on the part of the grand leadership of euroland. This does not fit the self-image the euro’s have of themselves. This is not playing nice. Actually this might be even considered “hate speech” by some here.

Thirdly and probably most important is that it is not encouraging. You need to help them see that high unemployment, slow economic growth, and more taxes, more regulations are the correct path to the promise land and are in their own best interest. You want them to stay the course not to abandon their dearly beloved leader.


Remember now…….one more time let’s all shout

Bush is evil!

@Room101

To answer your question about the 1.5%. It is the euroland standard.

This is part of the double standard that the euro's like to apply. To not call 1.5% a recovery would be to have accept a high standard. Higher standards are only required of Americans and that Evil Bush.

So it is a recovery.

I can see you are a real trouble maker.

I bet you do not even join in with group shouting. Shame on you.

One more chance to be like the frogs and Germans...

Let's all shout.........one more time

Bush is Evil!

Human, Let's take a longer look at the economy, shall we?

Remember Y2K? Companies spent like there was no tomorrow in 98 and 99 to make sure when their computers reached 00 the cilivized world wouldn't shut down.

Plus we had the "new no-bricks-and-morter economy."

For people to think companies would still spend like there was no tomorrow when there was tomorrow was foolish. And then the new econ went "poof."

Plus, for all of Greenspan's "irrational exhuberance" talk of the mid-90s, he really didn't do anything until March of 00, 13 hikes in a little over a year, wasn't it?

Then 9/11 came and exposed all. Plus, we're making another switch from a mfg-based econ to a service econ, tho mfg. jobs in America peaked in 1998 and we haven't lost as many as others, including China - and the WSJ had an article last year that China's looking to Africa to outsource some of its' clothing mfg.

Now, during the 2001 - 2004 timeline, how many legals and illegals have we added to the population? 1m, 2m? More? Are they working?

LLC formations are up in most states, most over the banner 1998 year. - see hobbsonline, he's been following it. In other words, entrepreneurs, the backbone of this country and the evil rich who are the majority of the minority who don't have health insurance, btw. Especially those making $75K and over. Who do you think the 39.6% tax bracket is? did you know that until W brought that bracket down to 35% - equal to the corp tax rate - those who made $300K - $18 m paid higher subchapter S rate than those who made $18m or more? Think about that.

Corp. fed tax rev's up $30-40 billion over last year.

TN is swimming in surplus, which they're not telling its' citizens.

Kind of makes me wonder how the other 49, including my own, are doing.

Oh, and 1 other thing. Just so we're talking apples to apples, job loss under W - with all that has happened over the past 3 years, was 1.3-1.5m, not the 3.2 figure. Seems the bureau of labor stats made an error and was going to correct it. You can check it out on their site.

Actually, I've come to the conclusion that $2/g for gas is a good thing. Can you imagine what the econ would be if gas was cheap? Even more problems and a worse fall later on.

Do you also read Carnival of the Capitalists?

This is the fact human, we have 2 billion Chinese and Indians nipping at our economic heels. Our education system needs major overhaul (yeah, vouchers and NCLB). When we put our minds to it, we can beat anyone most of the time. No more free ride. We have to do what we do best, improvise, adapt and innovate.

Now, I'm going to make another observation, well, not me, but a former blogger who was stationed in Germany during the 90s. He once wrote that it was a coincidence that the German economy started having problems when the US armed forces starting moving out in the mid-90s.

With all that in about 4 years, I'm surprised we're still chugging. We've been battered.

I love you guys. I always feel better when I come here to read your comments.

Let's start another shout....

Bush is GREAT!

BTW, I really mean this! I'm NOT being sarcastic!

@Maranna,

WAIT WAIT WAIT

you are are the wrong blog... this is the hate Bush site.... Please!!

You must have been on holiday .... LOL

We have a new theme here. It is called group unity....

So please get with the program.........

Now all together...

Bush is Evil...


Maranna,

Don't believe me. Ask Klink or Mathesur or our scholars Mai, Sophos and human. They will tell you he is Evil!

*g*

@Joe:

Okay, one post at a time:

"The policy objectives for Iraq are very simple. They included the removal of Saddam, the destruction of WND’s and the ability of produce WMD’s, the establishment of a free secular democratic nation.

Which of these objectives do Germans object to?"

The question was not about the objectives, but Bush's Iraq policy. Since David was exhorting Schröder to support Bush's Iraq policy at the present time, we can discard the removal of Saddam and the destruction of (allegedly existing) WMD and the ability to produce them, since they have already been accomplished.

That leaves the establishment of a free secular democratic nation as an objective still to be accomplished. A worthwhile goal that we can and should all stand behind. Unfortunately Bush's Iraq policy does not inspire confidence in this regard - at his recent press conference, when asked who or what form of government would be taking over in Iraq on June 30th, Bush simply didn't have a clue. He said he was "waiting to find out" what the UN would tell him. You'd think two and a half months before that (self-imposed) deadline he would have some kind of idea.

Perhaps you or David could give a reason why Schröder should support Bush's Iraq policy - not his lofty ambitions, but his actual policy.

But human, I thought "the world" wants the UN involved. So now that W's given them the nod and waiting for their input, he's supposed to ignore them and put out his terms? Isn't it more diplomatic to wait?

Daily Telegraph 5/15 says:

Saudi Arabia has abandoned its policy of diversifying foreign reserves into euros, deeming the eurozone unfit to manage a major world reserve currency....

Muhammad Al-Jasser, the deputy chief of Saudi Arabia's monetary agency, said the dollar remained the safest bet for central banks in the Middle East, despite America's trade and budget deficits. "The euro has not yet gained a competitive status against the dollar as a major reserve currency. People are not going to switch to euros until European financial markets become more competitive, deeper, more liquid and diversified," he said.

A spokesman for Frits Bolkestein, the European single market commissioner, said the criticism is harsh but true. Mr Bolkestein has devoted much of the last five years trying to break down barriers to free capital movement, but has met with implacable resistance from vested interests.

The disenchantment of the Saudis - who have about $200billion in reserves and government investment funds at their disposal - is a blow to the European Central Bank, which is keen to promote the euro as a competitor to the dollar. Just a year ago the Saudis seemed to be infatuated with the euro, accumulating an estimated €30 billion in foreign reserves between April and June 2003. But the eurozone has suffered a series of blows in recent months, including the collapse of the Stability Pact rules needed to curb inflationary spending.

The banking firm Morgan Stanley warned in January that the euro could disintegrate within five years as the markets begin to drive up interest rates in Italy and other heavily indebted states. The euro accounts for 13pc of total foreign reserves, compared to 68pc for the dollar, according to IMF data....

The one thing your markets won't be "free." You're not willing to reform. You can't complain those who are growing at 35% should raise taxes because of unfair competition.

We do - our states set their own tax rates and determine what is taxed. One size does not fit all.

@human

Why Germany should support the establishment of a free, democratic secular Iraq? Well if none of that makes any sense to you, then I surely cannot give you a better reason than that.

As Sandy pointed out all of the euro’s have been demanding UN involvement. So you are now going to get it. Had Bush said this is going to be what happens when the US hands this off to the UN, we both know what the German Big Media would say, what your beloved dear leader who say and why you yourself would say.


You would say this was all a great shame and nothing has changed. Bush is in charge and we are not going to support America.


You like so many of your euro comrades want it both ways all the time. You are only willing to invest in words and most of those words are criticism of those who are actually doing something.

Maybe the concept of establishing lofty goals is one you do not understand. It would appear that you do not. Most Americans establish lofty goals. We do that on an individual level and we expect that our institutions do that too. We work toward those goals. Some time we meet those goals. We are proud that we did and then we begin to question if the goals were in fact too low. We would rather have lofty goals and fall short than to have minimal goals and accomplish them. When we fail to meet a goal we examine the reason for failure not the goal

I guess it is like your comments on jobs. President Bush had a goal of job creation. You criticize him not for the creation of jobs but for failing to not create them on some previously stated time line. To you and those who think like you, you must find fault because your hatred allows you no other option. So you cannot fault the creation of jobs you fault the timing of those jobs.

So you tell yourself Bush lied. He said he was going to create jobs in December and did not. This a huge issue for you because it reinforces all that you believe. It feeds your hatred. You have to feed this hatred because it has become who you are.

The US is not at all satisfied with either the current jobs picture or economic growth. We want there to be increases in both of these areas. Those are lofty goals. But they are really not, or they are not for Americans. We expect more.

Your economic grow is 1.5% and your beloved dear leader calls it a recovery and a success. It is all about standards and expectation.

Americans have high standards and great expectations. The citizens of euroland do not. They expect little of their leaders and get even less and are so happy that they then can turn their anger and in your case their hatred toward another country.

So I am pleased for you and the successes you enjoy.

Just to help you be able to smile I will join you once again………

Bush is Evil!


@Joe:

"Your fault President Bush about jobs. You fault is not that jobs are not being created but the timing of the creation of these jobs. President Bush stated his policies would do this and they are."

Em, no, it's not just about the timing of the creation of the jobs, it's that they're not being created in anywhere near the numbers that Bush predicted (5.5 million predicted by the end of 2004).

Look, if he predicts 5.5 million and it actually turns out to be, say, a third of that, then it's not proof that his policy is working and we're quibbling over details like timing - it also pulls into question the effectiveness of the policies.

See: http://www.jobwatch.org/
http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=70

"Now I would like to compare the statements of the leaders of france and Germany about the creation of jobs. Somewhere in the last several years, job creation was an important issue in Germany. I even believe at some point your dearly beloved leader said that if unemployment did not drop below 4.0% he would not seek reelection. Well it did not and not only did he seek reelection but was elected."

Schröder is not my "dearly beloved leader", and I'd like to know what gave you that impression. Just because I think Bush is an inadequate leader does not mean that Schröder is my hero.

"So reading your comment,President Bush is creating jobs but not according to when he stated they would be created and this is bad. The leaders of france and Germany are not creating jobs and this OK."

France and Germany not creating jobs is not okay, not by a long shot. Both countries urgently need reform.

"So in this case the double standard you apply to President Bush to your own domestic issues is really quite funny from my perspective. I hope you also see the humor in your own statement."

What double standard and which statement?

"Are you in anyway related to Mai? Did you guys attend the same university?"

Nope and nope.

"Bush is evil."

If you say so. I just think he's inadequate.

@Joe:

"Look at your hatred for Bush.

You would criticize him and his policies and call him wrong because job growth started in March and not in December.

During the same time unemployment in france and Germany increased."

What I said above was that Germany could not afford to copy Bush's economic policy. If you want to translate that into Bush hatred, hey, knock yourself out.

"Do you consider your behavior to be at all rational?"

Since you're creating a supposed double standard on my part out of thin air, maybe you can ask yourself that question.

@human

Schröder is your "dearly beloved leader". The German people spoke. They elected him to lead you to the promise land.

He represents all that is good and noble about your and your nation. Why would you turn your back on him

He is speaking of the "German Way". I would think that would excite you. I would think you would be jumping up and down that finally Germany has arrived.

If you are not then you are not listeing to the words of your dearly beloved leader, you are not listeing to your elites, you are paying attention to Big Meida.

In a word, human.......you are failing to be a good German.......not to mention a good citizen of euroland.

You should be thankful that this is 2004 and not 1944. If it were you would be in a lot of trouble. You might have been forced to resettle.

So I join in your happiness that it is 2004

and shout with you.


Bush is Evil.

Am so happy for you human.

@human,

Do not tell me you are not pleased with your dearly beloved leader. Hell, I bet you voted for him. Be brave admit that you did.

I voted for Bush. I will admit that to you. I will do so again because I fear what Preident Kerry will bring us. If you were able to get past your hatred of Bush you would see the same thing. Since you cannot I think you will not be happy with the results. Of course, I do not think you would be happy with any results. I think that is part of the "German Way".

Since you cannot get past your hatred, then contiune to support both your dearly beloved leader and Kerry.

You can then have two leaders you admire. Your dearly beloved leader and Kerry who looks french

Just of you ....human....

Bush is Evil!


Do you want me to add to our cheer. How about this

Bush is Evil

Long live our dearly beloved leader.

Kerry is good


human feel better now. Hope so!

@Mai... what is wrong with you?:

Sorry, not Mai - anonymous. Joe, I suppose. Whoever, you've gone off the deep end.

@human

I have come to accept the "German Way" that there are no standards for Germany and there are no expectations of Germans other than of course as they apply to President Bush and America.

Human, you have been trained well by your elites and your dearly beloved leader. I know they are proud of you. I surely am.

Shall we........??

Of course..

1 2 3 all together now......

Bush Is Evil!

@human

There is nothing wrong with me. I have not gone off the deep end at all.

I am trying to practice the "German Way". I see the wisdom that all have shared with me.

I think the problem is we in America do not have a dearly beloved leader. We need one. We need one to lead us to the promise land.

Human, you are so lucky to be in a nation that is on the way to the promise land.

But you know Bush is Evil.

I shout it with you.

Bush is Evil.

Long live the dearly beloved leader.

He will lead us to the promise land.

@human,

Look at the picture David pick of the dearly beloved leader.

Does he not look strong, forceful, determined and convincing?

I bet he is speaking of the "German Way".He is saying that evil Bush. We must never ever support him. We must continue to fight for Saddam. Saddam is only bad. Bush is evil. Saddam is more like some of Germany's great past beloved leaders.

So shall we......of course we should

Bush is evil

The dearly beloved leader will lead us to the promise land.

@Sandy,

I think you said the following...."But human, I thought "the world" wants the UN involved. So now that W's given them the nod and waiting for their input, he's supposed to ignore them and put out his terms? Isn't it more diplomatic to wait?"

Maybe or maybe not. It surely is not the "German Way". So it has to be wrong.

If you do not believe me human will tell you. He will tell you that Bush's way is wrong.

The right way is the way of the dearly beloved leader ......the "German Way"

So Sandy to repent you too must now shout 3 times.

Bush is Evil
Bush is Evil
Bush is Evil

I know you must feel better. I know human and mai, and Klink and Sophos and Mathear all feel better.

Do not pay any attention to those trouble makers Room101 and Maranne. They do not understand the dearly beloved leader and the "Geman Way"

@human

There is a real question I have wanted to ask you and now I think I shall.

Why are you so interested in the unemployment rate and the creation of jobs here? I would think you would have a greater interest in job creation in euroland.

I mean your dearly beloved leader has told you he is working to do this. But I guess just knowing he is working so hard makes you feel better. It is after all the "German Way".

I know I would feel better if we had such a dearly beloved leader as you have. You are on the way to the promise land.

Remember Bush is Evil.

I will let you lead the shouts this time human. You seem to show real leadership qualities. Does you dearly beloved leader know this?

Oh, and human?

Kerry said he's going to "create" 10 million jobs, but that's going to happen w/or w/o him.

Presidents don't create jobs, people like my husband do.

All the pres can do is suggest how via tax policy.

Congress votes no - no go.

But that is Civics 101 and I already expect you to know that if you're American.

If you don't better get back to school.

I also see you ignored my posting skimming over 5-1/2 years of US bus history which I put a lot of time into.

No defense?

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