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Kerry has no shame and no honor. That comment to Brokow is repugnant. But. He speaks for millions of Americans who are in deep denial about this. They cannot face war. They recoil from the very idea. Hence, it is a 'phony' war, a 'ficticious' war.

These are the cowards that will lead us straight to hell if Kerry is elected. And I must say that the Bush White House does such a poor job of communicating a message about anything, that Kerry may have a real shot.

I'm not happy.

Many may find Peggy Noonan's article today comparing Kerry and Kennedy (www.opinionjournal.com) interesting, given what is being published in the German press.

For all the time I've spent in Berlin, I still can't understand why Berliners, and indeed all Germans, have such a high regard for John F. Kennedy. Many historians argue that Kennedy's allowing himself to be bullied mercilessly by Krushchev at the Vienna summit in June, 1961, convinced Krushchev to permit the building of the Berlin Wall. Certainly whatever Kennedy said or did for Germany was trivial compared to what Presidents Truman, Reagan and George H.W. Bush said and did for Germany.

I also don't understand why the German press believes Kerry will be such a huge improvement over George W. Bush. It would appear that the German press believes the following should be the basis of German-American policy:

1. The US and Germany should be partners, which means that US must always talk and act as Germany desires.
2. Whenever it wishes to, the German press and elite should disparage, belittle and insult the US, including its government, President, society and people.
3. The American press and people should always have the kindest feelings towards Germany and should ideally not even know what is being said in Germany about the US. If Americans are aware of German anti-Americanism, they must never mention it to any Germans (for example, David Frum should not have given the interview that he did in Stern).
4. The US must invest in and always commit whatever resources are necessary to keep Germany free and independent, while Germany can not be expected to invest more than a token, inadequate amount in protecting herself.

A President Kerry would no more follow such a policy than President Bush. I'm not even sure Kerry would use words that are much different than Bush. I am fairly certain that if a President Kerry visited Berlin after two years in office, just as many soldiers and police would be needed to protect him as were needed for Bush's visit in May, 2002. I believe the German word that describes the German press these days is albern (silly). The German public deserves something better than what the press is giving them.

George Murphy:
I wrote this posting about Helmut Schmidt and clicked on "post" without my name. Sorry for the mistake. I wanted to be ironically because Schmidt was a strong Chancellor and he is still a strong opinion maker for whose who don't have an opinion. I know he was/is very "critically" towards the US.

TS: Great analysis!

George & Gabi: That Schmidt discussion article in yesterday's Die Zeit really hit a nerve, didn't it? I was speechless when I read it last night and am still angry this morning. It is a bankruptcy declaration by the aging leader Schmidt. Contrast it with Joe Joffe's page one article in the same issue, and the level to which Schmidt has sunk becomes clear.

Here are some thoughts:

Schmidt perversely starts out pretending to show understanding for America by saying one needs to understand the effects of 9-11 before one can understand the Americans. He starts out appearing to contradict the Chinese businessman's claims of American imperialism. But, in the same breath, he quickly sticks the knife in and twists it with statements that Americans suffer from "mass psychosis" and hubris. Later in the discussion, without any mention of America by the Chinese, he gratuitously throws in the statement "I don't see how a Chinese inferiority complex could cause problems, much more dangerous is the American superiority complex. The American administration is exaggerating patriotism right now. That leads to an imperialism that China might one day fight." [my translation] This sounds like something straight out of a second-rate communist rag. If nothing else, the discussion calls Schmidt's credentials as a democrat into question.

The post above is right: Schmidt is trying to ingratiate himself with the Chinese. What a pitiful spectacle: our so-called German friend and ally brown-nosing with the Chinese by bashing America. What is particularly revealing about this discussion is just how spontaneous it appears. It is the uncut version of what many German leaders think, not the page 1 niceties (Höflichkeiten), but the page 20 unguarded moment. There is no hope for good German-American relations as long as German leaders are spreading this kind of hate-filled gospel around the world. Anti-Americanism has become a marketing tool for Europe.

Talk about mass psychosis, Helmut Schmidt is "Exhibit A" in my case that Germans are suffering from the mass psychosis of anti-Americanism. If it has infected someone like Helmut Schmidt, it has reached the highest levels of German society. Official Germany is still to a large degree in total denial as to the nature of the threat against all of us. Maybe Schmidt and his ilk should reread Joffe's article Mord an der Zukunft on page one in the same edition. It could have been written by Paul Berman. Joffe even uses the term "Armageddon", a key term used by Berman to describe the driving myth behind Qutb's jihadi aspirations, an indication to me that he indeed has read and agrees with Berman's thesis. To dismiss the concerns articulated by thinking Americans on both sides of the political spectrum (and by a handful of European thinkers) as mass psychosis, hubris, imperialism, is shameful and an indication of a second-rate intellect.

Schmidt is listed as the publisher of Die Zeit, as the successor to Gräfin Dönhoff. One fairly may draw the conclusion that he speaks for Die Zeit. What a shame for that paper, which has made such progress over the years and on any given week is the best periodical in Germay. I think that it is time for Schmidt to step down and make room for some fresh blood such as the Editor-in-Chief Joffe. Schmidt's generation is still too marked by Germany's defeat and occupation by America (Schmidt was a soldier in WWII) to ever be capable of a healthy attitude towards our country. In his statements about my country he reminds me more of the bitter Rudolf Augstein (former publisher of Der Spiegel) than of someone who once occupied the most important office in Germany. What unspeakable humiliations must he have suffered at our hands to warrant such behavior today!

This Schmidt article is a painful reminder of just how badly Germany's elite has let Germany down. One need look no further than the second-rate class of politicians, managers, journalists and union leaders who call the shots in this country to understand why Germany is in such bad shape. Until that improves, relations with America are doomed to remain troubled.

David: If I missed this somewhere, just delete this post.

Thanks to the dissident frogman (http://www.thedissidentfrogman.com/dacha/)
for this link to an interview with Perle and Frum

at Front Page(http://frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12233)

Here are a couple of pithy quotes:

"Frum: Let me add something. Richard and I are often accused of believing that military power is the answer to everything. On the contrary, we believe that it is the answer to some things - as opposed to those who believe it is the answer to nothing. Force is to international relations what cash is to transactions between banks: the medium of final resort. So long as a bank is known to have abundant cash, it can do its business on credit; and so long as a nation is known to be ready to fight if necessary, it will discover that the necessity arises very seldom.

...

FP: Mr. Perle, why do you think there is such a skyrocketing of anti-Americanism in our present world?

Perle: Disapproval of the U.S. has many sources: jealousy at our success, fear that we will encourage democratic change at the expense of despots and dictators, ignorance about who we are and what we stand for, the belief that we have too much power and have been too unwilling to share it—and our sovereignty—with multilateral institutions, etc. We should quit agonizing over why we have detractors and make sure our policy is a success—like which nothing succeeds.

FP: Mr. Frum, would you like to add to Mr. Perle's comment? What are your views regarding the rise of anti-Americanism worldwide?

Frum: The United States stands - and has always stood - for the idea that ordinary people deserve the widest possible opportunity for their aspirations and talents. That may sound like a cliche - the Muzak of American politics - but over most of the earth's surface that idea is and remains an outrage and a scandal. From the social democracies of Euroep to the theocracy of Saudi Arabia, cultural and national leaders profess to be worried about "Americanization." (Indeed, I think it is "Americanization" much more than the actually existing United States of America that alarms them.) But what is "Americanization"? In Europe it can mean something as seemingly harmless and trivial as letting people watch the television programs they want to watch, rather than those the state deems good for them. In Saudi Arabia, it means something much more dramatic: the menace of female equality and religious choice. Wherever you go, though, America means liberty, and always has. And liberty remains just as explosive an idea in 2004 as it was in 1776 - possibly even more so."

QUOTE: Hmmm...lets see. They hate Bush yet loved Hitler. Think we can depend on their judgement? Rampant anti-semitism, sluggish economy, 11% unemployment...I think maybe the German people should worry about their own gov't and it's actions, not whether the American President respects their culture or kowtows to the UN. QUOTE

The majority of people who live in Germany have been born after the war. So what has Hitler got to do with it unless you want to conjure up the notion of an "Erbschuld" (guilt by heritage) which always comes in handy when throwing a punch at this country.

I was born 1964 and Hitler ain't got nothing on me. I am aware and grateful that Americans (and British and Canadians and Russians) have liberated this country at some point allowing me to live in a relatively safe and stable place. But does that give me obligations to consider Bush (or anyone fitting someone's personal preference) a great (or even decent) political leader?

I am also growing tired of those endless comments on our sagging economy. Yes, it looks bad. It's because this country is in the process of undertaking massive changes in its social and welfare structure. Structures which have been established over decades and can't be switched over night. Also structures and conditions which a lot of people have fought for for many years and understandably want to defend as long as possible.

Sure, the current coalition has failed, but I doubt that a chancellor called Stoiber or Merkel would be any farther at this point, had they won the last election. These are structural issues which are mostly independent from the party in charge.

Yet, economic growth alone can't be the lone measure for a country's "success", or can it? If so, to take your example, Hitler's Germany was a brilliant country. But what about poverty rate, crime, literacy rate? I'd say we don't look that bad when comparing us to other countries, the United States included.

In general I have to say, I once liked this site quite a lot, but lately things seem to turn from (rightfully) bashing a biased and self-righteous class of checkbook journalists and politicians into bashing an entire country and its people. Furthermore the fewer I come here the more I notice that certain people seem to take over almost every thread with their quite predictable arguments. I know. Free speech and so on. But at times it seems that this site has turned into a pro-Bush campaign vehicle for Americans living in Europe. Pity that is.

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>Bush wants to take the war to the enemies, fight it on their turf. Kerry wants to do it through ''law enforcement'': If the Empire State Building gets blown up, he'll launch an investigation immediately. It's not enough.

Well, next you tell us Saddam was about to blow up the empire state building. Now if you think the right way to fight terrorism is to divide the Western world building "coalitions of the willing" just because not all nations support a certain activity (like starting a war, with unpredictable results on the base of pretty weak evidence) you may be wrong. Just that Mr. president Bush goes to war in Iraq doesn't mean he's got a tough grip on terrorism. The opposite may be the case. He's not concentrating the forces on the real target and creating enemies where they didn't exist before. Do you really think the civilians in Iraq are gratefull for what he's done so far? Before the war they had a cruel dictator, but they were able to calculate the threat: as long as they didn't give him the impression they'd endanger his government their life was rather safe, particularly as he was not able to send them to wars anymore (thanks to another US president, who was a bit brighter than the present one). Now they've got the completely random threat of terrorism. Will they say "thank you Mr. Bush"? Also, but the Iraq campaign has quite simply nothing to do with the war on terrorism. It's just starting wars on suspicion and opens a door, that was closed before with a lot of effort by not so short sighted people.

Under whose law is the toppling of a bloody dictator "illegal"
Under whose law is a dictator looked upon as being a "sovereign" entity?
During the Serbia/Kosovo conflict within Europe itself- There was no UN permission to topple Milosovich as Russia was then playing the same "veto threat role" as France did last year.
After 12 years of violating UN sanctions- why was the Iraq conflict "illegal"?
The leadership shown by the US, while Europe waffled and people were being slaughtered in Kosovo, to topple Milosovich did not face this level of baseless scrutiny.
If just one "EU" country would have had the ability to topple Saddam it would have attempted such a measure...
.. perhaps only after a decade long debate, and appointment of a red-caped "Super Commissioner" to determine the "extent" of human suffering there.
NOT ONE person in the current "EU" is in ANY position to comment on constitutions being helped t form by the US, locating war crimes criminals, or a "war over oil", or on what it takes to succeed economically, or how to be "sensitive" to another culture, or how to bring a democracy to a country.
This is all the more relevant when one takes a look at the current "EU constitution" and it's current "effectiveness". And when one also looks at these facts-
EU countries, more than any other countries are responsible for the WMD proliferation around the globe-
Nuclear black market trade had roots in Europe- http://www.iht.com/articles/130366.html
Milosovich is wanted by the EU and missing now for 8 years.
Current EU countries create work laws prohibiting new member's citizens from seeking work in the respective countries, going fully against the very premise of the EU constitution to begin with.
A real diplomatic tough guy like Chirac telling new members they "missed a good chance to shut up"
With the EU penguin-like Blix's book coming out he is "flashing" personal opinions rather than fact to promote his book while entirely avoiding the real issue of WMD proliferation around the globe that occurred right under his "watch". Why is the fact that as Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency from 1981 to 1997, when Blix was impervious to the spread of WMD spread around the globe, not questioned by ANYONE in the mighty EU?
It will take 25 years for the US death total in Iraq to reach the levels of deaths through heat this past summer in France. Why then is the current EU focus co consistently looking outward and blasting the US with such crap all the while your continent is truly falling miserably apart as not a single politician appears to have a solution of consensus to better your pitiful continent.
Schroeder was screaming for Clinton to hurry up and bomb the Christian Serbs in Kosovo and Serbia in 1999, and neither Schroeder nor Chirac wanted inspectors to verify their wild-eyed claims of "mass graves" in Kosovo.
In fact, France and Germany INSISTED that there be no UN resolution to use force against Milosovich.
France and Germany demanded that NATO start bombing Serbia immediately, WITHOUT the UN.
That wasn't even 4 years ago. France and Germany had the US bombing the Christian Serbs on Easter Sunday, 1999.
Yet the EU citizens and the EU press like to call themselves "anti-war" these days. What damn puffery this is.
The protest against any action in Kosovo was too muffled to be credible.
Hey Europe- spare the world your duplicitous nonsense and your phony embrace of such shallow pacifism and your "better than thou" dinosaur attitudes and get to work on your own constitution,
get to work on your own miserable economies,
stop your intent to sell plutonium to China,
and please promptly prosecute the UN members and EU politicians who had un-zipped saddam's trousers to cozy up to him for profit while looking to preserve their own business and his reign of terror.
Hey- who wants to bet that Iraq has a new constitution before the EU? Anyone? The creation of an Iraqi constitution is perhaps 1000 times more difficult as it would be for the EU. So why is the EU failing in this regard while Iraq's WILL be signed by Monday?
The paper-like strength of your new found nationalism (based on what successes for christ's sake?)is what will bring, and is bringing, your nations to it's knees both culturally and economically.
Wow, germany has a total of 2000 troops in Afghanistan bravely helping to educate the female population or creating an environment for them to achieve, and now you Germans are "all tapped out of resources".
So you now have the 4th lowest GDP among the EU nations, your economy hasn't grown in 3 years, your leader gets his ass kicked in recent elections. I really have to ask "what the hell is wrong with some of you people?"
I understand J Fischer has recommended the appointment of an "EU Super Commissioner" to help expedite the constitution and I need to ask- what color will his cape be?
Will Bush win the election in November? Certainly.
To those in Old Europe- Bush will win by a enormous margin. In addition to this nations confidence in Bush- the victory will be a message from the American people to those in Europe whose new-found nationalism has, once again, caused such anti-Americanism at a time when Europe's focus should be inwards towards itself for the multitude of issues that is currently causing the continent to stumble and fumble.
It is that "stumbling" and "fumbling" that fosters the constant negativity towards the US that emits from your continent.

Pato,
firstly thank you for puttin EU in quotes. shall I do the same for "USA"?

>Under whose law is the toppling of a bloody dictator "illegal"
Under whose law is a dictator looked upon as being a "sovereign" entity?

Under international law, based on contracts signed also by the "USA", a country which doen't seem to be trustable to fullfill it's obligations from contracts.

>During the Serbia/Kosovo conflict within Europe itself- There was no UN permission to topple Milosovich

Which was illegal and turned out to be support for the Albanian terrorists and a war not against Milosevic, who was still in power after the war, but against the Serb civil population, which later removed him through democratic elections.

>...more than any other countries are responsible for the WMD proliferation

except the "USA"

>Milosovich is wanted by the EU and missing now for 8 years.

Are we living on the same planet? He's locked up in jail in Den Haag, Netherlands.

>Current EU countries create work laws prohibiting new member's citizens from seeking work in the respective countries, going fully against the very premise of the EU constitution to begin with.
A real diplomatic tough guy like Chirac telling new members they "missed a good chance to shut up"

Here I think you are fully right in critisizing.

>It will take 25 years for the US death total in Iraq to reach the levels of deaths through heat this past summer in France.

That's a brave prediction. Hope you're right, in fact I even hope the US death toll in Iraq will never reach that level.

>Why then is the current EU focus co consistently looking outward and blasting the US with such crap all the while your continent is truly falling miserably apart as not a single politician appears to have a solution of consensus to better your pitiful continent.

Look at your continent and shut up.

>In fact, France and Germany INSISTED that there be no UN resolution to use force against Milosovich.
France and Germany demanded that NATO start bombing Serbia immediately, WITHOUT the UN.

See, as opposed to the US they learned from their mistakes.

>please promptly prosecute the UN members and EU politicians who had un-zipped saddam's trousers to cozy up to him for profit while looking to preserve their own business and his reign of terror.

Are you talking about Mr. Rumsfeld (of whom nice pictures exist shaking hands with Saddam) and Bush friends at Haliburton?

>Hey- who wants to bet that Iraq has a new constitution before the EU? Anyone?

You're talking about one that was democratically created or one that was just imposed?

>Will Bush win the election in November? Certainly.
To those in Old Europe- Bush will win by a enormous margin.

Well, if he cheats again, may be Saddam can tell him how to get 100%, I bet if he tells him Bush won't hesitate to do what he's told.

>It is that "stumbling" and "fumbling" that fosters the constant negativity towards the US that emits from your continent.

btw. I agree on what you say about the EU (except that BS about nationalism, which shows you have no clue), however, what's causing what you call anti-Americanism (which is more anti-Bushism) is caused by the behaviour of your current administration.

>Hey, Jens, Du kommst doch aus Ost-Deutschland? Wie war das damals, mit der Mauer? War doch nicht so schlimm, oder? Die paar Toten. Jeder wusste ja, was ihm blüht, wenn er abhauen wollte, stimmts? Selber schuld, wenn man es probiert hat, jeder konnte ja das Risiko "kalkulieren", erschossen zu werden, hmmm?

Exakt, es gab legale Wege auszureisen. Hat zwar länger gedauert und genervt, aber sein Leben brauchte keiner aufs Spiel zu setzen übrigens, in den Knast ist dafür dass er einen Ausreiseantrag laufen hatte auch keiner gekommen, da gabs nur andere Schikanen. Ausserdem sieh's mal so, die Soldaten an der Mauer waren Wehrpflichtige, auch nicht fein, sie in eine Zwangslage zu bringen, die übrigens viele dadurch gelöst haben, dass sie nicht gschossen haben.

I hate to take up valuabel space on this forum to debate your points, but perhaps that is the reason this board exists.
jens spoketh-
Pato,
firstly thank you for puttin EU in quotes. shall I do the same for "USA"?
Pato- No, we are not a nation or an entity that is still half-baked. When the EU is at it's desired limit of countries I will remove the quotes as the EU will no longer be an adjective, but resemble a noun.
Pato- Under whose law is a dictator looked upon as being a "sovereign" entity?
jens-
Under international law, based on contracts signed also by the "USA", a country which doesn't seem to be trustable to fullfill it's obligations from contracts.
pato-Oh dear Lad, show me the law that gives sovereignity to a dictator. Please note the multitude of human rights violations NOT mentioned in any International charter. Shall we neglect those also?
pato- Milosovich is wanted by the EU and missing now for 8 years.
jens- Are we living on the same planet? He's locked up in jail in Den Haag, Netherlands.
pato- *note my correction of typing error to correctly reflect the name Karadzick
pato- please promptly prosecute the UN members and EU politicians who had un-zipped saddam's trousers to cozy up to him for profit while looking to preserve their own business and his reign of terror.
jens logic says- Are you talking about Mr. Rumsfeld (of whom nice pictures exist shaking hands with Saddam) and Bush friends at Haliburton?
Pato- thats a cute one Jens. No, actually I am referring to the George Hollaways of this world, the UN officials involved in the milking of BILLIONS from the Oil for Food Program, and anyone who may be french. why is the oil for food rip off not being written about in the EU? Are your overpaid MPs worried about implications?
You are all so wuick to demand new commisions to discover some allusive truths, why the hesitancy here?
jens- Well, if he cheats again, may be Saddam can tell him how to get 100%, I bet if he tells him Bush won't hesitate to do what he's told.
Pato- How old are you?
Pato- Why then is the current EU focus co consistently looking outward and blasting the US with such crap all the while your continent is truly falling miserably apart as not a single politician appears to have a solution of consensus to better your pitiful continent?
jens- Look at your continent and shut up
Pato- shutup? Not for you junior.
Not when I become more and more clear as to why those with a strong intellect and a forward thinking mentality, and a desire to succeed, have been fleeing and leaving Europe for centuries. It's only left fools like you behind to steer the ship.
And Pal- I can tell you're not licensed.


N kalric- well spoken words. You point about the GDR is quite relative to here.
It is the Iraqi people and the young Iranians who fear that Bush may lose this election- they have more fear about a Bush loss than anyone else.
And these people, the people of the region involved, have far more at stake than any asswipe tabloid in the euro press.
When will the brave euro press corps head out to interview those in the middle east to ask about their thoughts on Bush?
Do the euro press corp think the people will not be allowed to speak or something crazy like that?

Immer ruhig bleiben.

>Fakt ist, dass viele unschuldige Menschen an der Mauer kaltblütig von willigen Soldaten und Grenzaufsehern erschossen wurden. Viele der Mörder haben sich auf einen "Befehl" berufen, manche wurden verurteilt.

nach Angaben der Arbeitsgemeinschaft 13. August mindestens 916, nach neueren Erkenntnissen mindesten 1008; viele davon sicher von willigen kaltblütigen Grenzaufsehern, aber viele sicher auch von einfachen Wehrpflichtigen, die von einem Verbrechersystem dort hin gestellt wurden und der Lage nicht gewachsen waren

>Die Tatsache, Jens, dass diese Mörder vor Gericht rechtskräftig verurteilt wurden, müsste Dir zeigen, dass dies Verbrechen waren, die durch nichts zu entschuldigen sind.

Die Berliner Staatsanwaltschaft hat in 253 Fällen ermittelt, in denen zwischen 1961 und 1989 Flüchtlinge an der Berliner Mauer und der innerdeutschen Grenze getötet wurden. Weitaus befriedigender ist, dass auch den Hintermännern im Politbüro der Prozess gemacht wurde.


>"aber sein Leben brauchte keiner aufs Spiel zu setzen" - ich bewundere jeden Menschen, der dem faschistischen Regime der DDR unter höchstem Einsatz entfliehen wollte. Dass Du hier, Jens, die Toten mit solchen Kommentare verhöhnst, ist mir unbegreiflich.

Ich verhöhne sie nicht, sondern stelle eine Tatsache fest. Wer behauptet, dass die Flucht über die Mauer der einzige Weg war, um aus der DDR in die BRD zu gelangen lügt ganz schlicht. Das hat nichts damit zu tun, ob das DDR-Grenzregime verbrecherisch war, auch nicht damit dass die Toten ehrbare Leute waren, dass die Verantwortlichen für ihren Tod Kriminelle waren - alles wahr, aber es musste nun einaml wirklich niemand sein Leben aufs Spiel setzen, um in den Westen zu kommen. Ausserdem ist die Bezeichnung des DDR-Regimes als faschistisch äusserst gewagt. Verbrecherische Diktatur stimmt, aber faschistisch, na ja.

>Jede weitere Kommunikation mit Dir macht keinen Sinn.

Ich kanns mir nicht verkeifen, aber richtig muss es heissen "hat keinen Sinn". Auch wenn sich die falsche Form ganz schön eingeschliffen hat.

>Unglaublich, wie jemand in (offensichtlich) so jungen Jahren schon so verblendet sein kann.

Nun ja, als die Mauer fiel war ich erst 21, aber was hat die Darstellung von Fakten mit Verblendung zu tun?

>Ich vermute, es sind Begegnungen mit und Kommentare von Menschen wie dir, die Amerikaner in diesem Forum dazu bewegen, dermassen hämische Kommentare abzulassen.

Da fällt mir ein hämischer ein: Amerikaner die immer noch glauben, der von Ihren Regierungen ins Amt gehievte und unterstützte Pinochet wäre demokratisch gewesen und keine Ahnung davon haben, wie es in der DDR war, sollten anstatt hämische Kommentare abzulassen Tatsachen studieren.

>Sie folgen damit der Argumentation der Verteidiger, nicht nur der Verteidiger der Mörder an der Mauer, sondern jeder Mörder, die sich auf einen angeblichen "Befehl, den man nicht verweigern konnte" berufen. Sie merken wohl gar nicht, auf welche Seite Sie sich damit stellen, hmm?

Ich hoffe doch nicht, dass sie das so undifferenziert sehen. Ich sehe durchaus, dass es ziemlich abscheuliche Typen unter den Mauerschützen gab. Sie vergessen aber, dass einige eben genau nicht so waren, sondern sich sehr wohl ihrer Schuld bewusst sind und diese auch eingestanden haben. Diese meinte ich. 18-jährige die gezielt von Kriminellen in Situationen gestellt wurden, denen sie nicht gewachsen waren und so die falsche Entscheidung getroffen haben zu schiessen. Es ist natürlich einfach, wenn man schon älter ist oder nie in ihrer Situation war sie zu "kaltblütigen Grenzaufsehern" zu machen, aber wenig hilfreich, wenn man wirklich Ursachen und Zusammenhänge erkennen will.

>Es ist immer wieder erstaunlich, welche Gemeinsamkeiten sich zwischen Charakteren wie Ihnen hier im Forum einstellen. Auch andere Poster hier haben in der Vergangenheit immer wieder an einer Stelle, wo sie merkten, dass sie mit ihrer verqueren Argumenten ganz schön in die Scheisse getappt waren, auf vermeintliche orthographische oder grammatikalische Schwächen anderer aufmerksam machen wollen. Glauben Sie tatsächlich, Ihre Argumente werden dadurch besser?

So war's wirklich nicht gemeint. Ich konnts mir wirklich einfach nicht verkneifen, weil dieses ewige "macht Sinn" mich so deartig nervt. Dass das meiner Argumentation eher schadet war mir klar.

>"Ausserdem ist die Bezeichnung des DDR-Regimes als faschistisch äusserst gewagt. Verbrecherische Diktatur stimmt, aber faschistisch, na ja."

Damit zeigen Sie umso stärker, auf welcher Seite Sie stehen

Oder sie. Die Gleichstellung der DDR mit anderen faschistischen Diktaturen ist nämlich eine Verharmlosung echter faschistischer Diktaturen. In der Bundesrepublik ist diese Gleichstellung ausserdem besonders deshalb beliebt, weil die juristische Aufarbeitung von Nazi-Verbrechen nicht mithalten kann mit der (von mir befürworteten) juristischen Aufarbeitung von DDR-Verbrechen und um diese Präferenz zu rechtfertigen bedarf es schon heftigerer Begriffe wie "faschistische Diktatur". Jetzt werden sie wieder sagen, ich ginge irgendwelcher Propaganda auf den Leim, aber da möchte ich auch mit Tatsachen dienen: ehemalige Regimediener der DDR bekommen ihre Sonderrenten nicht angerechnet (und das ist auch gut so), ehemalige Nazi-Diener allerdings bekommen ihre Sonderrenten (und das ist Scheisse). Wenn man nun unvoreingenommen das Ausmass der Verbrechen beider Systeme vergleicht ist dieser Zustand unhaltbar. Da muss man die DDR schon zum "faschistischen Regime" machen, damit das Bild wieder passt. Ein besserer Weg wäre etwas mehr Mumm beim Umgang mit ex-Nazis oder Staatsdienern im dritten Reich, auf die Gefahr juristischer Stretereien hin, wie sie ja die ex-Kommunisten auch ständig anzetteln.

We will get rid of this piece of shit in nov.don't listen to us media the all that shit they try to feed us. IM SORRY FOR THIS FUCK HEAD DONT WORRY WE ALL WILL VOTE JUST TO GET HIM OUT !!!!!

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