ZDF - one of Germany's largest state-sponsored public media networks - came out with an article promoting a documentary on September 11 conspiracy theories - just in time for the sixth anniversary of the terror attacks. Next to the article is an unscientific poll asking readers to vote on who really "pulled the strings" on September 11, 2001. The poll provides several interesting choices (which themselves say quite a lot about ZDF) and recorded the following numbers:
Above: Who is behind the attacks? ("Rüstungslobby" = arms lobby, "US-Behörden" = US authorities, "Ich weiß nicht" = I don't know)
The results (with over 6,000 votes registered) indicate that 65% - or nearly two-thirds - of ZDF participants blame either George W. Bush (26%), US authorities (24%) or the nebulous and ever sinister arms lobby (15%) for 9/11. By comparison, only 27% selected Osama Bin Laden as the culprit and 9% said they didn't know. The article itself promotes a documentary which claims to shed on 9/11 and provide "research" that "solidifies" an "allegation against authorities." A translation of the summary can be read here - and the banner and headline can be viewed below:
Above: "Myth and Truth: Documentation: 11 September 2001 - what really happened: ZDF Research hardens allegations against authorities"
This article and poll - published by a major German television network six years to the day after 9/11 - bear further witness to the outrageous and warped views that cloud the minds of so many in Germany and around the world. Some, including German pacifist activist Angelika Claussen, chose to portray the attacks as "accidents" while others pretend to live in a world where the attacks simply did not take place or are to be collectively repressed. Genuine anger with the true culprits - the fanatical Al-Qaeda terrorists who plague the world with their murderous activity - is nowhere to be found.
Others, including the conspiracy nuts who have gained notoriety and a sizable following, twist the facts in an effort to create a narrative to suit their own primitive anti-American tendencies. They thrive on a culture that blames America for virtually everything. They seek to wash away their own historic guilt at the altar of the sacrificial world-scapegoat - the hated 800 pound gorilla and source of all the world's ills - The United States of America. These "useful idiots" are - sadly enough - all too useful to Al-Qaeda and other anti-American fanatics in their propaganda war against the United States - as Osama bin Laden's recent reference to Noam Chomsky demonstrates.
Let there be no mistake: The only reason ZDF and other German media promote this sort of material over and over again is because so many Germans want to buy and believe it. Deep down - far more Germans than anyone is willing to admit are convinced that American leaders destroyed their own buildings and thousands of their fellow citizens to justify a campaign to invade the Middle East for oil. They believe that George W. Bush - together with a sinister cabal of government authorities and arms merchants (i.e. the dreaded military-industrial complex that haunts the fantasies of much of the Angry Left) essentially murdered thousands of innocents - and managed to keep the entire operation secret - without so much as a leak. (This despite the fact that it is also universally accepted among members of the Angry Left that Bush is a complete idiot incapable of forming a coherent sentence...)
Sadly - this article is symptomatic of a wider mental illness that affects a disproportionate number of Germans and is to be found throughout the world wherever angry America-haters (and American self-haters) brood.
This can only be described as one of those moments - with state-sponsored media offering a public stage for these outrageous conspiracy theories - that one feels sincerely ashamed to be a German citizen...
UPDATE: Several readers point out that the documentary (which had not yet aired at the time of this posting) reviews numerous conspiracy theories - only to debunk or contradict them at the very end. It is true that the documentary reaches this conclusion - and we are happy about that - but the entire program is presented and advertised in a manner that hypes and promotes the madness - and offers the conspiracy theorists a platform to spread their lies. Further - had a ZDF documentary concluded that 9/11 was an inside job - the media reaction certainly would not have limited itself to this blog. But the cavalier and disrespectful manner in which the network handles the topic with its article and poll is disturbing - and has more to do with ratings than with a responsible handling of the subject. The poll - which offers outrageous choices (only "space aliens", "Israel", and "free masons" were missing) is a clear indicator that ZDF is anything but dedicated to dispelling the many myths that surround 9/11.
Watch and decide for yourself:
UPDATE #2: The media reaction to ZDF's 9/11 internet debacle is no longer limited to this blog. Henryk Broder published this piece today on SPIEGEL ONLINE that characterizes ZDF's presentation as a "disinformation offensive." (We will post the English translation as soon as it becomes available.) Unfortunately - SPIEGEL ONLINE is hardly an innocent bystander when it comes to flagrant abuse of 9/11 and its victims.
Translation of ZDF article:
Myth and Reality
Current: Myth & Reality from 09/11/2007
Documentation: 11 September 2001 - what really happened
ZDF Research hardens allegation against authorities
The plan was insidious. The dimension of terror incomprehensible. Commercial airplanes became flying bombs and shook the last superpower to its foundations. The perpetrators of September 11, 2001, were quickly made out, the men behind the attack are considered to be known: 19 young Muslims on a mission for the Saudi terror lord Osama bin Laden his organization Al-Qaeda. But from the beginning there were doubts.
Increasing numbers of people suspect other powers behind the attack of September 11. For them it is obvious that the Pentagon was not hit by an airplane, but instead by a missile: How else is the small impact hole to be explained? And why did the powerful US Air Force not simply intercept the slow passenger airliners? How could it be that hours after the impacts on the World Trade Center in New York a third building collapses that was not hit by the airplanes? Is this all a conspiracy of the American intelligence agencies to open the door for the Bush government to wage the decisive war for oil?
In the meantime there are over 50 such conspiracy theories about the act of terror. The circulate in books, newspaper articles, on the internet and in films. Hollywood will soon bring the first conspiracy blockbuster to theaters.
Startling Theories
The documentary "September 11, 2001 - Myth and Reality" follows the trail of several startling theories. The film's authors spoke with well-known skeptics, with experts and with eye-witnesses of the attacks of September 11. The attempted to separate fact from fiction.
With partially new or never before published documents and film, they answer some of the controversial questions. The documentary explains, among other things, why there is hardly any wreckage to be seen on the photos of the crash site at Shanksville - and what really happened at the Pentagon.
Files under Lock and Key
Several eye-witnesses and participants speak for the first time on camera and raise serious charges. They believe the attacks could have been prevented. Members of the investigative committee report why in New York not only the two twin tours collapsed.
There are still many files under lock and key and many in positions of responsibility at the time unpleasantly avoid questions. It is for that reason as well that so many legends circulate around September 11, 2001. What is myth, what is reality?
By Michael Renz
ZDF 2007
Instead of dispelling the myths and paranoia - ZDF choses to fuel them with this piece. Sad but true.
(Hattip: Niko K.)


I humbly wish to offer the following to ZDF as the basis for the next in their award-winning series analysing American History and US policy: 'Could he be - Satan?!!'
http://www.bushisantichrist.com/
Posted by: Don | September 14, 2007 at 01:10 PM
Many Germans denied the existence of the death camps too.
So what has changed from one generation to the next to make Germans anymore rational. I would say not much.
Posted by: joe | September 14, 2007 at 01:29 PM
@Jorg
So we are playing the game of "what we are doing is ok because see someone like you is doing as well" again? Your comparison of a poll about Saddam and a poll about the US government tells a lot about your perception.
"Scout, how come everybody is talking about Iraq on 9/11 instead of "just honouring those who died and clearly stating who did it.""
Sure, Jorg, everybody in the US was just talking about Iraq on 9/11 and just because they directly related it to each other.
If you think that the poll in ZDF is not representative of the opinions in germany I would suggest to read in the comments sections of news magazines like FOCUS or news channels like N24 and NTV.
Sometimes it hurts to see how warped the perception of too many people here in germany is.
Posted by: garydausz | September 14, 2007 at 01:32 PM
@ ALL
Your comments motivated me to write the following post about you and Medienkritik and the CNN poll that showed that many Americans believe in a 9/11 cover up:
Double Standards and the Popularity of 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
Posted by: JorgAtlanticReview | September 14, 2007 at 02:09 PM
@ don
@WhatDoIKnow, commonsense wrote that 43 minutes were devoted to the conspiracy theories and 2 minutes to the debunking. So you are being completely unfair - just like all of us Americans.
ZDF devoted 95% of the programme to the theories and 5% to the debunking - thus proving the complete fairness and balance of ZDF and by extension, all Germans.
commonsense's impression is wrong.
as i said earlier, it wasn't just 2 or 3 minutes at the end of the documentary.
they, for instance, had someone suggesting that the smoke that shot out of the buildings while they were collapsing was caused by detonating explosive devices. right after that you had people debunking that (dust came from gypsum plasterboards).
watch it, then judge it.
Posted by: lars | September 14, 2007 at 02:27 PM
Well, Jorg... that was quite a piece of brilliant argumentation. First you built an Aunt Sally by deliberately misinterpreting what I wrote, and then you tore your quickly-assembled strawman to pieces, all by yourself! Are you sure you don't work for German television?
Posted by: Scout | September 14, 2007 at 04:12 PM
Joerg writes:
41% of Americans answered 'Yes' to the question "Do you think Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq was directly involved in planning, financing, or carrying out the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001?" That total is actually up 5 points since September 2004.
Source: Atlantic Review
In 2001, 2002 and 2003, there were good reasons to believe that Saddam Hussein’s regime was directly involved in planning and carrying out the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Saddam Hussein had already attacked his neighbors twice: He attacked Iran in the 1980s and he attacked Kuwait in 1990. He definitely had the means and the mind set to attack another country. He not only had the mind set to use chemical weapons against his enemies abroad, the Iranians, he also had the mind set to use chemical weapons against his own people. This was well documented.
There were prior to 2004, rational and substantiated reasons for Americans to believe that the 9/11 attack originated from a hostile state actor. Saddam Hussein was the logical suspect for this assumption. It is pathetic German Besserwisserei for Germans to criticize Americans for this belief.
Now granted, after the invasion, after principals in Hussein’s government were interrogated, after mountains of documents were translated, and after the sifting of facts, there appears to be no direct link to Saddam Hussein and 9/11. All of the planning and recruiting for the 9/11 massacre were made under the nose of German authorities in Hamburg.
However, there are still rational and substantiated reasons for Americans to rationally conclude that Saddam Hussein’s regime had indirect ties to 9/11. These reasons include:
The presence of Alzarkawi and his cell of Al Quida in Northern Iraq;
The mystery of the Anthrax attacks in New York and Florida just after the 9/11 massacre;
The meeting of Mohamad Atta and Iraqi Intelligence in Prague prior to 9/11;
The asylum of who’s who in terrorists in Bagdad prior to the Iraq invasion;
The video tape of Saddam Hussein’s cabinet meeting where Saddam lamented to Teraq Aziz, “It would be a tragedy if a weapon of mass destruction would fall into the hands of a third party actor, (wink wink)”
These are facts that have not been adequately debunked or refuted by the left or the peace crowd. Contrast these facts with the facts supplied by both American and foreign moon bats who believe that 9/11 was an inside job about seizing oil in the Middle East.
Posted by: George M | September 14, 2007 at 04:54 PM
Even if you are sure Saddam had absolutely nothing to do with it, it`s much more crazy to believe a democratic gouvernment would kill deliberately 3000 of its people than to think two crazy violent branches of arab fascism have helped each other out at this.
I actually do have stored one photo, shot shortly after the invasion, showing american soldiers holding a billboard showing a proud cigar smokin saddam, a kaffyeh on his head, an Iraqi-Palestine-flags-melted emblem, the second plane hitting the burning WTC in the background (don`t know what the arabic writings are saying, though) So even if he wasn`t involved, he not exactly seems to have forbidden someone painting him as taking credit, maybe ordered him to, at least the painter didn`t seem to think it would be terribly wrong painting him like that, (as opposed to showing a "secular" Saddam with mickey mouse ears or something). Moreover, the thing`s a print.
Posted by: hobo | September 14, 2007 at 05:37 PM
OK, I watched it and this is pretty much what I found.
Begins
Moonbats come to word, narrator narrates moonbattery
At 8:33 the first sane person comes to word for about 15-20 seconds. It's Stephen Trimble and he says basically that the hijacked plains couldn't be found on the radar because of all the air traffic.
At 9:05 Trimble explains again for 22 seconds how hard it was for the fighter jet to identify the hijacked plains.
At 9:41 Trimble again, for 20 seconds, saying that it was basically chaos for the air defenses.
In the first 13 minutes moonbattery reigned. Sanity came to word for only about 62 seconds.
Pentagon part begins at 13:12
It starts with the official line, moonbats and moonbattery (no plane flew into the Pentagon, it was a missile).
At 19:40 a guy explains for about 60 seconds that bodies in what looked like flight attendant dress were indeed found.
At 20:52 for about 40 seconds an Air Force pilot, O'Brien, who was flying a military plane in the area, says he saw how the American Airlines plane hit the Petagon.
In about 8 minutes sane people come to word for about 100 seconds.
Shanksville, PA begins at 21:39
It starts with the official line, moonbats and moonbattery.
At 25:27 the narrator mentions for about 5-10 seconds that there are government photos of the plain debris.
At 26:40, 13 seconds, a guy from the local morgue says that they found bodies in the hole in the ground.
At 27:14 the narrator says the the plane crashed and wasn't shot down, but asks why the government doesn't make public more stuff
In about 7 minutes sane people talk for about 23 seconds. The rest is official line, moonbats and moonbattery. However, the conclusion, about 4 seconds, is that the plane wasn't shot down.
New York begins at 27:18
Until 29:07 official line, moonbats and moonbattery.
From 29:07 until the end only sane people come to word. The fire is explained, the collapse of WTC7 is explained, the puffy clouds of white dust coming out of the collapsing towers are explained, time is spent on the very poor record of compliance with the fire regulations etc etc.
Conclusion 1: out of a total of 43 minutes and 47 seconds, sane people present their views for about 17 minutes (out of which the narrator is also sane for about 14 minutes). The rest of the time narrates events (sane) mixed with moonbattery (insane). Those are hard to quantify, but moonbattery predominates.
Conclusion 2: no evidence for the conspiracy theories, but plenty of questions unanswered by the government, who feed those theories.
Feel free to correct me.
Posted by: WhatDoIKnow | September 14, 2007 at 06:37 PM
This documentary was made in a masterful way. They present sane people and opinions, but they also raise so many questions that the unsuspecting viewer is clearly left with the feeling that something's not entirely kosher.
One thing is clear, it is not a definitive debunking of conspiracy theories. After Fritz watched this he won't say to himself "those guys are lunatics". He will possibly say "hey, what if they are not lunatics after all?".
As I said, it's quite cleverly done. The producers covered their behinds - "we clearly stated that there is no evidence for conspiracy theories" - without truly putting the conpsiracy theorists in their place. It looks like ZDF can be quite unbiased when they want to...
Posted by: WhatDoIKnow | September 14, 2007 at 06:59 PM
Ray, I've been thinking about it, and I have to take exception with your statement that ZDF is chasing ratings.
As you are well aware, ZDF is part of the German public television organization which is funded by taxpayer money. They collect these taxes and spend them making propaganda for the Sheeple, and they will do what they wish, whether 40 million tune in, 4 million, or 4. It is not a normal business that has to make a profit. It's the government. They get the money regardless. I don't think they care the square root of sod all about "ratings" -- they do however care about presenting a programme that appeals to the feudal masters, since they are the ones who will ultimately decide to raise the taxes and give ZDF and ARD more money. So their programme needs to suit the needs of THAT target audience, not the normal serf taxpayer.
Before anyone gets started: Yes, I fully understand the differences between Steuer, Abgaben, and Gebühren -- but in my mind, if there is a law that says you have to pay it, and there is no realistic way of avoiding it, then it's a tax. Plain and simple.
BTW, there was a recent court decision in Germany. Essentially, the high court decided that the last television tax increase was NOT HIGH ENOUGH to "guarantee the independence of public television" and therefore unconsitutional. YGBSM.
Posted by: Scout | September 14, 2007 at 07:30 PM
Scout,
I do hope your shock is an effort to be funny.
Such a ruling by a german court is not at all unusal. Want to bet the three captured terrorists if convicted will be walking the streets as free men in 12 years.
Posted by: joe | September 15, 2007 at 05:15 AM
@WDIK
What an absymally idiotic way to analyse the documentary. The question is not how much time was devoted to each "side" - the question is the conclusion and how convincing the arguments are. So, when it takes 10 minutes to outline the conspiracy theory, and 10 seconds to debunk it - WTF is the problem?
plenty of questions unanswered by the government
The question is: Are the makers of this documentary to blame for this? For example, I really see no reason why they were not allowed to film the parts of the Shanksville wreck.
I think this is yet another example for the unprofessional public relations work of this administration.
Posted by: fuchur | September 15, 2007 at 12:13 PM
"Want to bet the three captured terrorists if convicted will be walking the streets as free men in 12 years."
Joe, based on what I've seen, my bet would be that they drag them into court for about a year and a half before the prosecution's case comes apart at the seams, and all will be released, with apologies and probably with monetary compensation. There have been too many recent examples in recent history.
"So, when it takes 10 minutes to outline the conspiracy theory, and 10 seconds to debunk it - WTF is the problem?"
Fuchur, I'm afraid you just don't get it. Humans being humans, there is a great tendency to remember the 10 minutes as opposed to the 10 seconds, especially if you were at the fridge getting a beer during the 10 seconds. As the ancient Greeks said, repetition is the mother of education, or in this particular example, the mother of indoctrination and brainwashing. That's actually what it is.
"I really see no reason why they were not allowed to film the parts of the Shanksville wreck. "
Knowing what I know now about German television and how whatever they film will finally be twisted, filtered, and used as anti-American propaganda, I wouldn't even let them in the country. Persona non grata.
Posted by: Scout | September 15, 2007 at 03:02 PM
fuchur
I don't have anything to add to what I said September 14, 2007 at 06:59 PM. Scout obviously tries one more time to make even you understand what's wrong with it. (I bet without any success)
You talking about idiocy is quite a treat though. I bet you are on a deep personal level very familiar with the subject.
Posted by: WhatDoIKnow | September 15, 2007 at 03:37 PM
I´m a bit slow these days. Despite of Scout already writing that:.
When I was the one responsible for the wreck I ( and having met those clowns before I presumably would have had a foreshadow how this film was going to look like, additionaly made for the audience of a foreign country) I wouldn`t have given a filming permission either. What else? Gloomy X-files atmosphere, an in this context lurid exploitation of one of the victims by playing her last phone call, they really bother to visit and interview the truthers wich in the way its cut heightens them to a discussable level, presenting the truthers arguments in the same factual manner as the "debunking"- the sheer mass of argument for conspiracy just overwhelms the thin effort to straighten it out. It comes across like it`s really a bad thing they have to tell you that your believes are (maybe) a little wrong. The last minutes immediately go into the synthesis, where you won`t be left without a substitute argument why it wasn`t Al Quaida: it was the Harbor administration, and the worldview implied by seeing latter as guilty is much more comfortable and assuring. The last sentence "there is not enough prove for a conspiracy" sounds like they are really sorry to tell us, but who knows? Maybe in the next movie?
The boss of this piece was Guido Knopp btw, who has a history with his "ZDF history" infotainment "documentaries" greatly contributing to the (not so) subtle efforts of relativating the German history of making Nazi-time Germans victims of the Nazis and greatly emphasizing their troubles as bombed and dispelled. He loves to portrait single Nazi personalities as tragic morally torn and troubled individuals.
Fuchur, you seemingly either believe or want that stuff to be believed and play down the serious implications of it being believed, or, considering what you wrote about truth above, think it doesn`t matter what`s true because we choose what`s useful for us anyway. Want me to say "I love you?"
Closing, see this in context of what else is shown, and more important, not shown. The context with German / EU policy. When will a film like "Obsession" be shown, merely giving an overall impression of what the west is up to.
Posted by: hobo | September 15, 2007 at 04:42 PM
@fuchur
For example, I really see no reason why they were not allowed to film the parts of the Shanksville wreck.
I think this is yet another example for the unprofessional public relations work of this administration.
You are saying the filmakers assert the Bush administration prevented them from filming the Shanksville site? That sounds odd to me. fuchur, did they say WHEN they wanted to film it? Although I can think of good reasons to disallow it. IIRC, the site is now operated under the auspices of the National Park Service, an arm of the Federal government that is rarely, if ever, associated with a given administration.
Posted by: Pamela | September 15, 2007 at 04:45 PM
"For example, I really see no reason why they were not allowed to film the parts of the Shanksville wreck."
Uhhh... and just one more thing, as Columbo used to say. I really don't want to mince words with someone not writing in his native language, but Fuchur seems to have enough command of English that I feel compelled to ask the following:
_Wreck_, Fuchur? Maybe I'm a little oversensitive, but for my ears, "wreck" is a lot like "accident." Didn't we just have a thread on that? I must question your choice of words.
Posted by: Scout | September 15, 2007 at 05:38 PM
@ scout
wreck - like "plane wreck" (well, it depends on what you want to read into it, i guess)
and while where at it, ray posted the article nearly 7.5h after it was shown on tv, not before.
just sayin'
Posted by: lars | September 15, 2007 at 05:50 PM
You are saying the filmakers assert the Bush administration prevented them from filming the Shanksville site?
No. The idea was that the plane was shot down and the filmakers didn't have access to any pieces of the plane wreck (thus the government hiding any signs of the missile explosion that downed the plane).
Posted by: WhatDoIKnow | September 15, 2007 at 10:11 PM
WDIK
No. The idea was that the plane was shot down and the filmakers didn't have access to any pieces of the plane wreck (thus the government hiding any signs of the missile explosion that downed the plane).
ROTFLMAO!!
Right. A government that denies access to film makers is hiding evidence.
I want to see the unedited version of the broadcast. If they don't show it to me, they're hiding evidence.
Posted by: Pamela | September 15, 2007 at 11:20 PM
@Scout
This is really too childish. Take a look at WDIK's "analysis" of the movie: Yes, it is of course possible that someone went to get a beer 8.33 min into the movie. And then again after 9:05. And at 9:41 again... and so on. Yes, in that way, a person really might miss all the instances when a conspiracy theory is debunked (and he'd be thoroughly drunk). But even in that laughably construed scenario you miss the fact that the conspiracy theories are mostly presented in question form: "Could it really be true...?" Thus, even a person that for some strange reason tuned out of the movie about 25 times, and always at the "right" point, wouldn't end up with the impression that the conspiracy theories are correct, but only with the nagging question: So, what's the answer?
@hobo
Basically you're saying that you didn't like the documentary. You don't like the "gloomy X-files atmosphere", you don't like that the "truthers" had a chance to present their case, ... That's fine with me. As I already said above, there are also things I didn't like.
However: You can't debate taste. Maybe somebody else thinks that this was a cool documentary, because of the X-files atmosphere, and the many interviews...
Whatever you feelings may be, the simple fact remains: This documentary debunks the conspiracy theories.
Posted by: fuchur | September 16, 2007 at 11:56 PM
Take a look at WDIK's "analysis" of the movie
It's "funny" how fuchur uses the word analysis in scare quotes when he talks about my posting from September 14, 2007 at 06:37 PM.
I read what he says here and I sincerely wonder what in the world could go on through the head of a fuchur, or what in the world could be missing from the head of a fuchur...?
My "analysis" from September 14, 2007 at 06:37 PM is nothing else but a factual description of all the timelines in the film. *Nothing* in that posting is my subjective opinion, it is only a timeline. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yet, fuchur chooses to describe my dispassionate report of the timeline as being a scare-quote-analysis. If he believes I got the timeline wrong, fine, he should correct me. In fact, I even said Feel free to correct me.
I understand that someone like fuchur might not draw the same conclusions as I do from that timeline, but how can you argue with the objective timeline itself? Well, in fuchur's world (and mind) you can argue with it if you don't like the message it conveys.
fuchur displays the pattern so widespread on the left (he probably doesn't see himself on the left) - mixing up message and messenger due to lack of logical understanding.
Posted by: WhatDoIKnow | September 17, 2007 at 01:56 AM
fuchur chooses to describe my dispassionate report of the timeline as being a scare-quote-analysis
Well, boo-hoo. The simple reason is that a timeline is an inadequate way to analyse a documentary.
It's like trying to find out whether a glass contains water or Sprite by looking at the color of the liquid. Sure, "the liquid is colorless" is a quite objective observation - but I'd nonetheless label this approach an "analysis".
Posted by: fuchur | September 17, 2007 at 11:42 AM
fuchur, you little challenged being, as I said before, you might not like what the timeline reveals, you might not like that I did it, but the timeline itself is not an "analysis".
I'd nonetheless label this approach an "analysis"
Aaahhh, well, thanks for displaying your open mindedness (not that I had any doubts about it).
a timeline is an inadequate way to analyse a documentary
:-) Sure, when you don't like the timeline. (BTW, this falls into the same category as "Bush should listen to his generals" - "Bush shouldn't listen to his generals". Dishonesty galore, but that's to be expected).
Posted by: WhatDoIKnow | September 17, 2007 at 02:56 PM
fuchur, what do you think happened on 9/11?
Posted by: Mir | September 18, 2007 at 04:48 PM
You heard it here first. The SPD is a front organization for the CIA.
Posted by: joe | September 19, 2007 at 12:49 PM
@Mir
Actually I already answered that in a previous comment, but hey...
Well, I'm German, and as Scout so diligently observed, we Germans aren't capable of independent thought and stuff like that. Therefore I duly believe what my government and our MSM are telling me: It was Osama.
Posted by: fuchur | September 19, 2007 at 01:32 PM