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"Loony-Left": The numbers of this week's Gallup Poll show that two thirds of Americans now oppose the Iraq War. Only a small percentage of these could be described as "loony-left". A much larger group of us are committed Christians who believe the war to be unjust. We are not all Catholics, but we do agree with Pope John Paul II that the invasion of Iraq was immoral.

An unjust war begets immoral acts, as reported today by Time. Note: according to Google News this is also a lead story in 120 US newspapers this morning.

Vic the Gallup "survey" is bunk just like all political surveys. They never asked me or have they ever asked me. I am a Harris poll particapant who is surveyed at least once a month. If you don't live in a place that gives the anwser that and response desired by the MSM and LLL you never get asked.

The MSM and LLL are trynig to pull a fast one just like they did in Viet Nam.

Peace Creeps need to grow up.

@Sock Puppet of Doom "survey is bunk"

Surveys are usually bunk if they contradict your beliefs. A majority of US Americans was in favor of the invasion of Iraq (which was wrong), and now a majority of US Americans favors a speedy withdrawl from Iraq (which is even wronger). The invasion was wrong, because it led to chaos. The withdrawl is wrong, because it would result in more chaos. That's another fine mess you've gotten us into, Mr. President.

The numbers of this week's Gallup Poll show that two thirds of Americans now oppose the Iraq War.

Vic, you are so full of $h!+. Can't you read? Or, do you purposely misrepresent information so that it fits your argument? You should work for the MSM. Your credentials are great!

CNN:
And support for his management of the war in Iraq has dropped to 32 percent, with 67 percent telling pollsters they disapproved of how Bush is prosecuting the conflict.

I will guarantee you that many of the 67% who disapprove of how Bush is handling the war in Iraq are not against the war. I'm certain that many, including myself, feel that we should turn up the heat and get the job done. However, I doubt that there are very many experts in war strategy included in that poll. So, what the people involved in the poll personally believe, is irrelevant--except to those who are interested in exploiting the result of such polls for political and ideological gains.

The American people have been bombarded with negative news by the MSM over the last month. Is it any wonder that polls about "how people feel about -x- situation" would turn out with negative results. In my opinion, too many people think with feeling and not enough logic. The polls reflect this.

@NotForSale
Surveys are usually bunk if they contradict your beliefs.

The problem with many polls is the poll itself. Questions being asked in the poll are often designed to influence the result. Asking the question in a slightly different way can result in a 180° turn-around.

If you ask people if they think invading Iraq was a mistake, and you get 50+% saying yes, many in the media would try to frame this as 50+% are anti-war. But, ask a more detailed question as to "why" you think it was a mistake, and you would get a wide variety of explanations. Many may be from people who supported the invasion, but now believe the invasion was a "mistake" because it seems we aren't doing what we can to finish it; or, we are spending too much money on it; or,....

None of these explanations necessarily means the person explaning is "anti-war".

Get my drift?

The invasion was wrong, because it led to chaos.

Oh, so you're on of those who believe the kite-flying scene in Fahrenheit 911.

This is a great example of NOT thinking with logic. Chaos is as much a part of war, as death and destruction are part of war. Or, do you know of any war that has not had its share of chaos? Well, at least this would explain many on the loony left's position of no war at any cost. "Can't go to war because there will be chaos."

@Vic..
do the words.. never again.. have any meaning to you?
if yes, please explain what that meaning is..
now go to www.massgraves.info..
click on each picture and say softly to yourself.. never again.
I don't f..... care if the war was fought to line Haliburton's pockets or if it was just to protect Israel.. I just don't f...... care..
the left paid no attention to human rights in Iraq before the SHRUB made them an issue.. or at least inadvertently drew attention to them in his war for cheap oil and global domination..

btw I used to be a card carrying democrat.
Voted for Mondale in 84.. worked as a volunteer for him.
Dukakis in 88.
so you are not talking to some ditto head here.

"The invasion was wrong, because it led to chaos"...there are worse things than chaos. Do you think any dictatorial regime that establishes "order" is therefore automatically OK?

Ordnung ueber Alles?

James W: "many of the 67% who disapprove of how Bush is handling the war in Iraq are not against the war. I'm certain that many, including myself, feel that we should turn up the heat and get the job done."

Precisely. A very large number of that 67% think we're being too soft on the "insurgents". Many others who are listed under a generic "disapproval" of Bush are ticked off because he hasn't sealed the borders. These polls are useless if they do not define differentiations among the opinions.

I don't usually follow any of the polls they put up. The fact that the sample size is so low (972-1100 people), yet the claims are so great. Do you think that it wise to say that 972-1100 people really determine how the entire country feels on any given subject?

@Pam, "Do you think that it wise to say that 972-1100 people really determine how the entire country feels on any given subject?"

That only depends on the size of the sample (and therefore the margin of error), the randomness of the sample and the question asked. As mentioned by some other posters, serious questions remain about the randomness of any of these published polls. When the sample is not selected randomly, the results are meaningless unless it's a sample size including most of the population. Examples of non random polling include:
- polling at a particular time of day
- polling at a particular location or type of neighborhood
- polling people of a certain age
- polling internet users, particular newspaper readers or TV watchers
- asking non-anonymously when the questions are provocative, embarrassing or politically out of favor

Any of those sound familiar? It's possible to get almost any result desired by the poller as long as the sampling method is sufficiently massaged.

As JamesW writes, I also find myself unable to answer most surveys because of the loaded nature of the question asked. The elites believe they understand these things but that we are ignorant.

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