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They seem to do a very nice job of building up the arsenals of the very people the US ends up having to challenge in order to establish stability. Did they fall off of their rockers? The danger of north Korean nukes is that Japan will need them too, and that they will inevitably lead to triangular power challenges. Those but the safety of civilization at huge risk.

I think the BRD's short-sightedness is once again only driven by export policy, and little else. They see a security arrangement painfully assembled by other bodies, and exploit it by doing something akin to 'breaking a boycott line'.

They either have no geopolitical skill, no shame, or no brains. Their leadership is the embodiment of the caricature that their lefties paint of George Bush.

No Problem!. Once Germany gets their desired seat on the UN Security Council, they will then, and only then be able to address China's ambitions...

But in the meantime, it's America, UK and Australia's problem...

1 of the 2 European security council seats should be given to india, and the other given to the EU. This bucking for a podium is just plain silly.

@joe N

I disagree, no more additional seats should go to additional European countries. They should go to any of the following :

Japan
Brazil
India (agreed)
an Arab country (rotating if possible)
Grenada

No UNSC seat for Germany. France must give up the one it has to the EU if the EU constutition is adopted. Germany has not shown it even deserves a UNSC seat. Such a seat can not go the the children, grand children or even the great great grand children of the NAZI state.

@ James

Grenada???

@ SockPuppet...
If the EU constitution is adopted it would also be the UK who has to give up its council seat. i'd rather see it if non-democratic states like Russia and China are chucked out instead of democratic France (no matter what their worldview is). Very naiv but I keep dreaming.

@Phil

The UK will not give up it's UNSC seat. The UK is actually relavant unlike France and Germany. The UK actually do something other than obstruct others and sell out "allies" for a few dollars worth of exports.

@ Sock...

Either there is an EU seat and the UK and France give up theirs or nobody gives up anything. To you the UK is more 'relevant' because it supports your point of view. I just cannot get my head around throwing out democratic countries out of the SC while countries with no freedom of expression and democracy are allowed to stay.

but let's be honest, the UNSC is largely irrelevant given how often it has been ignored. So the discussion about new members is sort of irrelevant as well

Volkswagen is presently getting it in the shorts. There cars are selling miserably in the US. (Has anybody bought a Phaeton?) The only one that is making a profit is Porsche and Mercedes.....Mercedes is riding on the back of Chrysler, which has a hit with its "gangster" 300 series.

Activist, left and right, should get out the word, that if Germany is going to proliferate weapons to tyrants, then they can kiss their 23 Billion trade surplus with the US good bye. (Same amount as what Saddam took from the Frogs and Ruskies as bribes in the oil for food program...what a coincidence!)

It is time that Gerhard and his punk terrorist vice chancelor get taken down.

By the way, for our German friends, the AOL headline is that Tehran has missiles than can hit Berlin and Paris. Quelle suprise! You can thank China and N. Korea for the technology transfer.

@Phil
No The UK actually has a foreign policy quite different to that of the US.
Germany is attached to the hip to France. They don't need a seat. The UK may not ratify the EU constutition. Most politicians in Europe are afraid to let thier people vote on the EU constutition even. I wonder why that is?

Most Germans don't want a seat on the UN security council. It would just involve us in all kinds of problems and we're not interested in playing the World Police man or the World Police man deputy on the side of the USA or France or any other former enemy of our wonderful nation. I did not vote for Schroeder , but if he can create more jobs and a better economy by selling weapons to China or any other country ( including such nice places like Iran or Syria) he has my full support. The Arab nations will never attack Germany, they're our friends and they have always been on our side. We can trust the Arabs. Can we trust America ? I don't think so.

Christian ( PROUD TO BE GERMAN )

Now, I can almost imagine whom he did vote for, if he means all that seriously. And I can't say I'm proud to be a German when I read statements like this...

Btw: Schröder "creating more (even more?) jobs and a better economy" - that was the only thing I liked about that comment, because it is really funny.

Schröder was dead set against any military action in Iraq, well before Bush went to the UN. SPD Secretary-General Franz Müntefering said : "...if such an attack were backed up by a United Nations mandate. Regardless what the UN decides, Germany should decide its own course."

The UN is already useless, why dilute it even more by granting Germany a seat on the Security Council? Additionally, I have to speculate that the motivation behind this ambitious move by Germany is mostly by Joscka Fischer - SPD's buddy. Is there a Faustian arrangement between Schröder and he?

@Christian

Precisely! You’re a parasite.

Schröder had voiced his opinion long before Chirac. I am not so sure if we are attached to the hip of France. I think without Germany Chirac would have kept a lower profile in the run up to the war.

I have the feeling that 'Christian' is a character made up by someone. This post is just to ridiculous to be true.

James:

what I hope for is that the french and british seats become the EU and Indian seats. There are rotating seats for various regions.
My dear ol' Dad had to do the legal work to back up one of them.
As a institution the US is indeed useless. It's like the department of commerce - it's still painful to get rid of. It still brings joy and drama to the lives of millions for no particular reason.

Let's face it: if you live in a cleptocratic police state, the UN actually looks like a good thing.

Just for your information:

Neither the UK nor France will have to give up and will not give up their UNSC seats once the EU constitution is adopted.

I take a broader view of UN reform. First as the UK is going to op out of the new federalized EU, it should retain its seat. It can represent the EFTA nations. Second the seat on the UNSC held by france should become the single seat for Europe. This will support and help with the federalization of Europe, which is the direction the EU wants to go.

India should have a seat. There should be one nation from South America. Japan should get a seat.

The US should withdraw from the UN. The UN can be moved to some place like Paris.

Of course, should the US decide to remain a member of this corrupt organization, then it should retain it UNSC seat.

So with the UK not part of a federalized EU, the frogs can share their seat with "old europe".

Now, I can almost imagine whom he did vote for, if he means all that seriously......

Wuldorblogger

I did vote for Stoiber in the last general election and I voted for Koch in the state election in Hessen. I did it because they're the lesser of two evils and because the Green Party raises my blood pressure everytime I see one of them on my TV screen. While I don't like America much ( I'm just honest unlike the lefties who would never admit it) I was glad the Republicans won the election in the US, because they're also the lesser of two evils. I find some issues I could agree with them like abortions , gay marriages, taxes or Kyoto, while there is nothing I could agree with the so called Liberals. They're also some American conservatives I like, Pat Buchanan is one of them , people who still defend conservative values against this neoconservative ideology of globalism, multiculturalism, mass immigration, military interventions and fiscal irresponsibility.
Unfortunately there are not many of them left and there are not many of them in the German conservative parties either. Angela Merkel is the best example for a conservative without priciples, divorced, no children and a former member of a communist youth organisation. The gay mayor of Hamburg is another one , openly gay and nobody in his party, the CDU, has the courage to criticize his immoral behavior.
I'm done with this false conservatism, this is not what I believe in and if Schroeder can makes deals with the Chinese that's fine with me and if he supports Vladimir Putin and calls him a pure democrat, no problem with me as longs as this serves the economic interest of Germany.

Christian ( PROUD TO BE GERMAN )

As a institution the US is indeed useless

Sorry that makes me giggle.

My goodness, Angela Merkel is divorced (didn't know that) and has no children. She has to resign and apologise immediatly. And the gay mayor of Hamburg should lock himself into his house and hide forever.

I would have to change my nationality (how do you do it?), should the majority of Germans ever consider it more important to get rid of gays than to be responsible in selling their weapons.

"if Schroeder can makes deals with the Chinese that's fine with me and if he supports Vladimir Putin and calls him a pure democrat, no problem with me as longs as this serves the economic interest of Germany."

Sounds like you have some strong principles there, Christian. Anything for a buck, democracy doesn't matter - are those the principles of true consrvatism?

Welcome Christian. I think. You wrote:
"The Arab nations will never attack Germany, they're our friends and they have always been on our side. We can trust the Arabs. Can we trust America ? I don't think so.

I admit to not being an expert on German history. But as far as the 'Arabs" always being on your side, I can attest to that. The mufti of Jerusalem hooked up with the Nazis in the WWII era to wipe out the Jews. By the way, Arafat was his nephew. The family name is - suprise - Husseini ( I hope I spelled that correctly - in any event, I'm sure you can google)

>> While I don't like America much ( I'm just honest unlike the lefties who would never admit it

Thanks. I'll take an honest slam over a dishonest back-stabber anytime.

>>neoconservative ideology of globalism, multiculturalism, mass immigration, military interventions and fiscal irresponsibility

You misunderstand neo-conservatism. It does not stand for multiculturalism, mass immigration or fiscal responsibility. Pre-emptive military intervention, Yes.

>> They're also some American conservatives I like, Pat Buchanan is one of them

Pat Buchanan is a very contraversial pundit in the US. Do not expect to understand the American baggage he carries. He is an 'Everything is about the Jews' thinker and is earning his stripes as a Jew-hater. I don't think the man hates Jews. I just think the man is stupid beyond belief.

>> if Schroeder can makes deals with the Chinese that's fine with me and if he supports Vladimir Putin and calls him a pure democrat, no problem with me as longs as this serves the economic interest of Germany.

I won't ask for your forgiveness for saying this: Hitler rose to power on the promise of restoring Germany's economic power, the moral issues be damned. The 'economic interests of Germany' as a value for policy, foreign or domestic, regardless of context, is a place you do not want to be.

And just for grins, from one of the Americans you don't trust: How would you balance your distrust of Americans against German economic interests when it comes to the American troops leaving Germany and the consequent hit on the German economy?
And for the Arabs who don't attack you directly but infiltrate your economy and suck from the state welfare teat; would you ask the Chinese to pick up the economic slack left by the departing American military?

It is absolutely hilarious that your sole criteria for German foreign policy is whatever benefits the German economy, yet the sole benefactor/protector of your economy for half a century is the Americans you aren't sure you can trust. It is absolutely hilarious that the Arabs that are your friends and would never attack you will never need to attack you because they have infiltrated you, using the welfare state the Americans that you can't trust allowed you to erect in the safety bubble paid for by American blood and treasure.

I give you the benefit of the doubt that you are proud to be German, Christian. But tell me, what does it mean to be German?

my post above
mass immigration or fiscal responsibility.

should read 'irresponsibility'. sheesh.

" ...neoconservative ideology of globalism, multiculturalism, mass immigration, military interventions..."

And yet you want to sell weapons to the Chinese. Yep, no irony there. Nor hypocracy.

Schäuble kritisierte, daß Strucks Ministerium nicht unmittelbar nach Bekanntwerden der Mißhandlungen in Coesfeld die Öffentlichkeit informiert habe. Struck hat diese Vorwürfe zurückgewiesen. Er müsse und werde nicht jeden Vorgang der Öffentlichkeit mitteilen.

Mich wundert die Zurückhaltung der deutschen Medien. 23 Ausbilder sind bisher entlassen worden. Gleichzeitig berichtet zb die FAZ immer noch von VIER Fällen. Sieht für mich nach Bagatellisierung aus. Will man nach der medialen Empörung wegen Abu Graib den Skandal im eigenen Lande nicht in seiner Tragweite erkennen?

Wo wird der Vorwurf der Geheimhaltung in den Medien erhoben? Ich habe noch nichts darüber gelesen. Einige Vorfälle sind über ein Jahr alt. Wie hat man doch die USA angeklagt, sie würden alles un den Teppich kehren. Und jetzt, da es um DEUTSCHES Versagen geht? Setzt man den gleichen Maßstab an?

Im Morgenmagazin konnte man schon aufatmend auf den Skandal in UK hinweisen: 4 Selbstmordfälle, die vielleicht keine waren.


Shanghai Mother of Two Tortured in Labour Camp for Petitioning against China's One-Child Policy

SHANGHAI, November 26, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The human rights group, Human Rights in China (HRIC) has reported that a Chinese mother of two is being tortured in a prison camp for defying China's one-child policy. Mao Hengfeng, a resident of Shanghai was arrested for her activism against the government policy. Fifteen years ago, Mao was dismissed from her job at a soap factory for the offense of having a second child. In April the Shanghai Public Security Bureau ordered that Mao serve 18 months in a Reeducation Through Labour (RTL) camp because of her activism.

In October, HRIC reported that Mao was being tortured, including being bound hand and foot and suspended in mid-air, and being subjected to severe beatings. Now HRIC has had further reports of torture. HRIC's sources say RTL camp police bound Mao's wrists and ankles with leather straps, and then proceeded to pull her limbs in separate directions, while demanding that she acknowledge wrongdoing.

Despite government restrictions on unofficial information being disseminated, the news of Mao's treatment has sparked public protests. "Mao's brutal treatment by camp officials clearly contravenes the United Nations Convention Against Torture, which China has ratified," said HRIC president Liu Qing. The protests have led to the adjournment of a hearing scheduled on October 28 in Yangpu District to consider further administrative action against Mao.

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@ Gabi,

Kann dir jetzt keinen Link geben aber es sind so weit ich weiß erst VIER entlassen. Die anderen wurden vom Dienst suspendiert.

@gabi
das ist kein skandal, solche dinge passieren überall in jeder armee und sogar noch viel viel schlimmeres! Du hast absolut keine ahnung von miliärischen dingen also mund halten!

"I won't ask for your forgiveness for saying this: Hitler rose to power on the promise of restoring Germany's economic power, the moral issues be damned. The 'economic interests of Germany' as a value for policy, foreign or domestic, regardless of context, is a place you do not want to be."

where has the usa moral issues when it comes to sell weapons? look around and tell me who sells more weapons to almost every country who can pay a f... dollar! usa or germany? poopiekopf

"poopiekopf"

How old are you? Five?

@ Racker

The US sells high value weapons, ie F-16s. Thus US has a higher nett gain in dollars. But China and Russia far out-sell the US in gross tonnage.

Look at all tha bad-guy armies of the world, N. Korea, Syria, Cuba, ect. Look what they show off at their parades: Russian tanks and Chinese rockets.

Masse ist nicht gleich klasse!

Ist das so schwer zu verstehen: Ich schreibe über die Berichterstattung in den Medien und NICHT über die Sache. Wie dumm bist du, daß du anderen den Mund verbieten willst?


"I admit to not being an expert on German history. But as far as the 'Arabs" always being on your side, I can attest to that. The mufti of Jerusalem hooked up with the Nazis in the WWII era to wipe out the Jews. By the way, Arafat was his nephew. The family name is - suprise - Husseini ( I hope I spelled that correctly - in any event, I'm sure you can google)"


Well yes thats true, the Mufti was a friend and so was Saddams uncle. As a German I enjoyed my vistits in the Lebanon and it made me proud when the Lebanese raised 400 German flags on the Israeli border and it touched my heart when I saw lebanese children waving German flags when Germany won a soccer match against Saudi Arabia. I have never vistited a more German friendly country . I also visited Syria and Jordan and I was impressed by their hospitality and their love for Germany.
By the way the German- Arab friendship did not start with Hitler and the Mufti, it started in World War I when the Ottoman turkish empire which included Arabia, supported us and since then we've always had excellent relationships with the Arab world. I don't betray our longtime friends and allies and support a country that produced TV shows like Hogan's Heros .

" You misunderstand neo-conservatism. It does not stand for multiculturalism, mass immigration or fiscal responsibility. Pre-emptive military intervention, Yes."

It does not stand for mass immigration, sorry it stands for illegal mass immigration . George Bush's amnesty for illegal immigrants would outrage the Republicans if perpetrated by a Democrat president. But Bush needs the latino votes, no wonder John Ashcroft, the last real conservative in the Bush administration had to make room for a Mr. Gonzales.

" Pat Buchanan is a very contraversial pundit in the US. Do not expect to understand the American baggage he carries. He is an 'Everything is about the Jews' thinker and is earning his stripes as a Jew-hater. I don't think the man hates Jews. I just think the man is stupid beyond belief."

He is just an oldfashioned conservative. He's not an antisemite, but he speaks out against people who think that the interests of Israel are equal to the interest of the United States and he speaks out against people who think that outsourcing jobs is good for the economy or people who think that deficits doesn't matter or people who think that mass immigration from third world countries will not change the face of America in a negative way.

" And just for grins, from one of the Americans you don't trust: How would you balance your distrust of Americans against German economic interests when it comes to the American troops leaving Germany and the consequent hit on the German economy? "

Oh come on , keep threatening us by not buying our cars anymore or other German goods, that could really put some damage on the German economy. But your troops leaving Germany is complety irrelevant. The US soldiers spend more than 80 % of their paychecks at US Army facilities, they import their cars from US dealers, they have their own hospitals. The only people who would suffer if they leave is the McDonalds in Ramstein or the owner of a topless bar in Baumholder. I know Baumholder, it is a cow village, 4,000 Germans live there and 13,000 Americans. So far the US troops have not created an economic boom in the region.
Sooner or later the US troops will leave Germany completly , it makes no sense to have 70,000 troops stationed in Germany, but if they're smart they keep at least the military hospitals like Landstuhl for strategic reasons.

"It is absolutely hilarious that the Arabs that are your friends and would never attack you will never need to attack you because they have infiltrated you, using the welfare state the Americans that you can't trust allowed you to erect in the safety bubble paid for by American blood and treasure."

Good point , since I'm xenophobic and against multiculturalism and mass immigration I'm also against Arab immigration to Germany. I consider the Arabs, especially secular muslim arabs friends of Germany. They're welcome as guests in my country, but Germany is the country of the Germans, a christian country of western civilisation and I'm absolutly not interested in turning it into a muslim country. But liberal internationslists and conservative globalists are working hard and hand in hand on the destruction of this country. They took away the German Mark and replaced it with the Euro, which actually is another word for the French franc, they opend the borders to Eastern Europe so we can export our jobs to Poland and in exchange Poland can export Polish workers to Germany and they have turned parts of our cities into Little Istanbuls.
The German welfare system, that according to you was given to us my America, is a complete failure, it protects the lazy and the stupid , prevents a natural selection and is corroding our society.

"I give you the benefit of the doubt that you are proud to be German, Christian. But tell me, what does it mean to be German? "

It means to be choosen by god to be born in the most beautiful country on earth. I'm proud of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Friedrich Nietzsche, Ludwig van Beethoven, Gottlieb Daimler, our literature, our beer, our cars, our tanks, our soldiers, our flag, our corporations and our 1000 years of proud German history, a history that I unlike many others don't reduce to 12 years.

Christian ( PROUD TO BE GERMAN )


Don't forget Bach and Luther, Christian..
oh wait, they are ossis, they don't count.

I mentioned Friedrich Nietsche, he was born in Röcken near Leipzig, just in case you don't know.
Luther is not important to me , I'm a roman catholic.
And I like the Eastern Germans, they have a better sense of patriotism than most people in the western part of Germany. Unfortunately there are still too many Communists as a result of the former GDR, but I'm optimistic this will change over time.

@ Christian:

Do you know why Arabs tend to like us Germans that much? Because they reduce our great history to this very 12 years. Anybody who harmed the Jews in any way is a good friend of the so-called Arab cause. Did you never noticed that while on vacation in the middle-east?

The ottoman empire was never really liked by most Arabs by the way. There´s a reason for turkish and arab street-gangs to fight each other. If the Arabs and Turks were our truest friends why do they allow hate-preachers in mosques to speak out against our great culture, our great institutions our great constitution?

You don´t like American TV? Then make sure you don´t watch any German programmes anymore because they are even bad at copying US-TV-crap. Perhaps you like better what they show on Al-Jazeera or any state run arab television channel which are full of hate against western civilization?

The US has always been a country of immigrants. You don´t like Bush´s amnesty? What do you make of Schroeder´s immigration policies? I know you didn´t vote for him but perhaps you´re buying the argument that his Zuwanderungspolicies are for the benefit of the german economy? Just like trade with China? (I think we should break diplomatic ties with Bejing and step up those with Taipeh).

To summarize your characterization of Pat Buchanan: He´s a populist on all stages, just like Schroeder when it comes to Iraq.

Where do you think army facilities in Germany get their fresh food, water, electricity from? The airlift is over! 20% is better than nothing. Ask your local politicians.
It´s true that Americans will never stop buying German cars because they are just better than theirs. But it´s also true that the german economy is heavily dependent upon it´s exports. And it´s not the Arabs who are buying!

Who gave away the german Mark? Chancellor Kohl did it and he was right to do so cause in the long run the Euro will be a good thing for us. It could even be stronger now if we hadn´t a government which is so fiscally irresponsible. And if we had a government which provided us with a better economical approach to the 21st century fewer jobs would have been lost to Poland. But it´s a good old german tradition to avoid changes until it´s too late and the daimler crashes against the wall of ignorance, populism and so called conservatism. It´s always the others it´s never our own fault.

You like german literature? I recommend to you "Mein Kampf" by you know his name and "Der Mythos des 20. Jahrhunderts" by Rosenberg (no jew - but friend of the great Austrian-german). There you will find a lot of your conspiracy theories to which you apparently subscribe.


Johann Wolfgang von Goethe spent most of his time in the east as well.

..oh, and don't forget the German homosexual author Thomas Mann who had to flee the Nazi's and go to America to preserve his life, and Einstein, von Neuamann, etc Essentially the entire Princeton faculty of 1941.

Christian, I'm also (being an American) of: the transistor, THIS Internet, the Nuclear bomb, polite behavior, humor, CURRENT musical talent (now gone in Germany), the airplane, electricity, the cure for Polio, and and and...

@ christian

World War I
Germany supported the Ottoman Empire, yes
Better: German general Liman von Sanders had to be the commander-in-chief of the Turkish army; Falkenhayn commander of the soutern Turkish army
(by the way: Liman Sanders has been Jewish grand-parents!)

But the Arabs had supported the British army (Lawrence of Arabia!!!)

Nazi-Germany WW II
friends: Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo-Albania, Iraq (Baath!), Palestianian Arabs
Muslim SS-divisons Skanderbeg and Hanjar

enemies: Serbia, Greece, Jews in Palestine, Christians in Iraq (Assyrians)

deja vu!!!!!

@christian
Luther means nothing to you? he was key in developing the modern German language..

The transistor, airplanes and electricity are note american inventions or major developments.

Hello friends. I am back after a 30 day celebration of the US vote results. I hope everyone has been doing well. it is time to watch the UN get well-desrved bitch-slaps from the US electorate, and no one should translate the US vote and support to Bush to ANYTHING but a hearty F**k you(!) to crusty Old Europe, to all the tribesman at the UN, Bin Lden's attempt to influence the election, and specifically to the cockroach whores chirac and schroeder. Note the difference between the US vote and spain's "vote" and we can indeed deduct that there is a world of difference between the minds in the "eu" and those in the US.
So I see we have a new teenager posting whose name is christian and claims the arabs are friends of germany and that as long as arms sales benefit germany, no problem with selling it to communist freaks in China. The little kid does not know who it is that would have to clean up this potential mess made by the german desire to whore themselves up with an oppresive regime in china if it benefits the sterile and impotent german economy. Now there little boy- have you not heard the recent preachings from a german mosque where your local muftah claimed all germans stink with horrible arm gas? Now we see the local washed-up baathists who are coddled so firmly by germany make an attempt to kill Iraq's interim prime minister on his trip to germany. Anyone in the US can easily deduce that the publicity given this by the german govt is a pure attempt to fellate US citezens into thinking that the germans fight the war against jihadis with valor. However, you should see this in the light that al german policies have been a failure over the last three years, and now schroeder will attempt to whore himself out to the US as a "friend" now that his desperate attempts against the US has failed. Has this man no shame? Has this man no spine or convictions to remain firm with? Little christian boy- I beg you to take your appreciation of the arab love for germans right to an arab neiborhood in the middle east. Go take a stroll down any market in the middle east and let me know what the reactions of the arab street are to a white dude having an afternoon stroll. It will take about 2 hours for everyone to see you wearing a new orange jump suit on al jazeera with a dagger to your neck. I once met a turk here in LA who claimed he thought the germans were indeed a master race. I asked him what the fuck he was then doing here in the US and why he didn't go to germany to contribute his arab technical powers and intellectual void to the robust german economy. I asked him why germany had lost each of it's attempts to conquer europe, and why it failed to have any world leading and top rated universities, had minimal patents and discoveries, all the while having an economy as strong as a corner shop in these modern times. The crusty old truk didn't have much to say. So little christian believe this- it is not the arab love for Bosch power tools or Nraun exprsso makes that arabs love about germany- the arabs have affection for germany ONLY due to germany's past professed hatred for the jews. You are a pawn and a small minded kid who needs to really read up on history.

Christian,


are you proud of Einstein? Cassirer? Cohen? Husserl? Mendelssohn? Lessing? Heine? L. Strauss? Georg Simmel? Liebermann? Meyerbeer?

Man, you have no right to say: I am proud of Nietzsche; since he would not be proud of you; not at all: He detested anti-Semitism. Your patriotism denigrates Germany, demeans it: Left-wing anti-german scorn could not hurt more than your "1000 years of proud history"; your 1000jähriges Reich was nothing but the moral and military annihilation of Germany: Those who have committed that national suicide (WW II/Auschwitz) and their heirs betraying Goethe´s and Bach´s legacy once again should not pretend loving Germany; for their love is nothing but that kind of hate and recklessness which destroyed our country: Wannabe friends of Germany like you are our worst enemies -since the complete destruction of our country was the "byproduct" of your great patriotism. Many thanks for that big achievement. Thanks.

@ Christian

I am not sure that you understand the difference between a healthy patriotism and dangerous nationalism. Being proud of our achievements while being aware of our shortcomings.

...and without Luther you might still read your bible in Latin.

By the way... do you live in Martin Hohmann's electoral district? Just wondering.

Pato

A Turk can't contribute his arab technical powers to the German economy because Turks are no Arabs. But what do I expect from a country that invaded a secular muslim country to fight islamic fundamentalist terrorism. Do you know the differnce between Iran and Iraq ? Do you know the differnce between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden ? I guess you don't care, for you a muslim is a muslim and the best muslim is a dead muslim , right ? I would have more fear walking on a street in Downton Miami or South Central L.A. than in Damaskus or Theran as it is highly unlikly that Al Qaida would kidnap and behead a German, while an American crack junkie would not care where I come from.

ralph

You are calling me an antisemite ? Why ? I did not make an antisemitic comment. German history is 1000 years old, 1200 years to be exact, I did not refer to the 1000 jährige Reich, German hisstory goes back to Karl the Great and the year 800 ( Karolus serenissimus augustus a Deo coronatus magnus pacificus imperator Romanum imperium gubernans qui et per misericordiam dei rex Francorum atque Langobardorum )
I dont have an opinion about the jews, I don't care for them or the state of Israel. Alien societies should work out their own destinies and if the muslims and jews in the middle east have a problem with eachother it is not my problem.
I don't admire Adolf Hitler , basicly for two reasons:

1. He was a socialist and I'm against socialism, nationalsocialism was just a nationalistic form of socialism.

2. He lost the war and I don't admire a loser.

Christian ( PROUD TO BE GERMAN )

Phil

" I am not sure that you understand the difference between a healthy patriotism and dangerous nationalism. Being proud of our achievements while being aware of our shortcomings."

Do you feel most Americans on this blog understand the difference.

@ Christian,

So you would have admired Hitler had he won?

You write:

"But what do I expect from a country that invaded a secular muslim country to fight islamic fundamentalist terrorism."

Iraq was attacked because it failed to comply with UN arms agreements and the US actually wanted to enforce international law. Now that Saddam is gone, it is a fight against the fundamentalist terrorism of both Saddam supporters and foreign Islamo-facists.

"I guess you don't care, for you a muslim is a muslim and the best muslim is a dead muslim , right?"

Millions of Muslims live, work and practice their religion in peace in the United States. They can also protect themselves from housing discrimination in the USA unlike in Germany since the USA actually has anti-discrimination laws.

"I would have more fear walking on a street in Downton Miami or South Central L.A. than in Damaskus or Theran as it is highly unlikly that Al Qaida would kidnap and behead a German, while an American crack junkie would not care where I come from."

Actually crime in the US is at an all-time low under the Bush administration. I highly doubt that you would be safer in Teheran or Damascus. Have you even been to the US recently? As far as junkies go, Germany has plently of them, my neighbor in Nuremberg was both a prostitute and a junkie, you talk as if only the US had such issues.

And as far as the Jews go, I'm sure you do have an opinion on them Christian, you just don't think expressing it would further your arguments here. Your comment on the Lebanese hanging German flags at the Israeli border making you proud was rather telling though.

As far as being proud of being German. I'm all for it. It is simply a question of what you are proud of. Every country has its good and bad moments in history.

---Ray D.

Christian,

1) Sie haben meine Frage nicht beantwortet;

2) Sie BEWUNDERN Hitler nicht, aber finden ihn ganz okay? Ich hätte mir gewünscht, sie hätten gesagt, ich HASSE Hitler, weil

er 6 000 000 Juden massenermordet hat;
er Millionen Russen, Polen, Ungarn, Franzosen und, nicht zu vergessen, Millionen deutscher
Soldaten im Zeichen einer RASSISTISCHEN Politik verheizt hat;
er unsere einst berechtigt stolze Kulturnation physisch wie moralisch auf lange Zeit, vielleicht für immer zerstört hat.

Stattdessen: Hätte Hitler den Krieg gewonnen, dann wäre der Adolf schon ganz okay gewesen, nicht bewundernswert, aber okay.

Da wundern Sie sich noch, warum ich Sie (Buchanan, Deutsche Flaggen an der Israelischen Grenze, wie bitte??) für einen Antisemiten halte?

Nebenbei: Wenn überhaupt, dann beginnt die Geschichte Deutschlands mit der Reichsteilung von Verdun 843; der Zusatz Hl. Röm. Reich DEUTSCHER NATION existiert erst seit dem frühen 15.Jhd. Und auch da meinte "Deutsche Nation" etwas ganz anderes als derselbe Terminus dann im 19.Jhd., aber darüber können Sie sich dann ja mal selbst informieren. Mein Verdacht, Sie reden bloß: Stolz - Deutsche Kultur, ohne in ihr wirklich auch nur ansatzweise zu Hause zu sein. Darum bedauern Sie auch nicht deren Besudelung durch die antibürgerliche Herrenmensch-Ideologie der bildungsfeindlichen Nazis.

Und Siegertypen ohne Bildung und Kultur bewundere ICH nicht so sehr ...

Well, this has been great fun!

heh

ralph

"er unsere einst berechtigt stolze Kulturnation physisch wie moralisch auf lange Zeit, vielleicht für immer zerstört hat."

That is what you believe , Germany is destroyed, maybe forever.
You have that in common with the radical left and the moderate left in Germany. You have no pride, you're one of the people who have smeared, harassed and persecuted their own country for nearly 60 years. When you talk about German history, you allways talk about the Third Reich, you have reduced our proud history to 12 controversial years.
The only differnce between you , the radical left and the moderate left is that you all are pandering to differnt foreign countries. The radical left already lost their role models , the GDR and the Soviet Union, now they're really mad because their beloved communism failed completly, Castro is the last man standing ( or falling sometimes), the moderate left fell in love with France, a moderate socialist country and the former arch enemy of Germany. They sold our sovereignty to the French when they joined the EU and the EURO Zone and if they ever get a seat on the UN security council they will vote inline with France 100 % of the time , even when it is against our own national interest. And people like you, you look up to America as your savior, a country that can't do wrong and everybody who disagrees with your icon America is a commie ( or in my case a nazi).
In the end you're all traitors to your fatherland with no self esteeem and no self respect. I'm not pandering to anyone, not France, not America, not the Israelis, not the Chinese , the Russians, the Cubans. I only love one country and the name of this country is Germany and I support whatever is in the best interest of Germany.

Christian ( PROUD TO BE GERMAN )

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