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The people of Luther, Bach, Goethe, and Brahms are doomed, unless they remeber how to make families and export the indigestible Muslimillions in their midst. Auf wiedersehen, auf wiedersehen, auf...salaam.

The "open minds" of the Left close real quick when they get in touch with reality. Funny isn't it ...? They are open-minded enough to sacrifice others (Israelis for example), but they don't feel like sacrificing themselves.

If Europeans don't fight for their Western values, those values will become stuff for the history books in the future. Europe, for all its failures, deserves better than that. Instead of just criticizing the US, they should get a dosis of that American vigour.

Many in the US have given up most of our hope that europe will wake up in time.

This is just one issue where the people (of europe) know what needs to be done but the political elites of europe will by default do the wrong thing. A a friend of mine in the Netherlands said when Van Gogh was killed the first reaction was to put more gaurds around the mosques to protect them.

Alice S. has always been against head scarves. This is nothing new.

In fact, while America jails soldiers who sexually humiliate muslim prisoners, Germany and France passed laws that make sexual humiliation of muslim women in public schools as teachers or students not only legal, but required.

This is the difference: America accepts religious tolerance, jails or kills those who do not respect it, whereas Germany and France pass laws that protect sexual humiliation of women in public. When it comes to actually standing up for religious tolerance, Germany and France do zilch.

Germany ignores terror:

"Die Analysen von Marcus sind erschütternd: Während die P.A. nach außen versucht, sich moderat und an einem friedlichen Zusammenleben interessiert zu geben, dienen die von ebendieser P.A. kontrollierten und produzierten Medien vor allem dazu, den fanatischen Haß gegen Israel zu schüren. Dabei sind es drei Motive, die sich stets wiederholen.

1. Israel existiert nicht. So findet sich in keinem der palästinensischen Schulbücher ein Hinweis auf einen jüdischen Staat im Nahen Osten. Auf allen Karten ist Israel getilgt, Palästina reicht von Akko bis zum Jordan. Die Behauptung, die P.A. würde das Existenzrecht Israels akzeptieren, erscheint in diesem Licht absurd. Der Nahost-Konflikt ist, folgt man diesen Darstellungen, keiner um konkrete Grenzen, sondern einer um Israel überhaupt.

2. Der Jude ist schuld. In den Medien wird nicht Israel als Staat kritisiert, es ist immer wieder „der Jude“. Zahlreiche aktuelle Illustrationen, die man parallel zu denen des historischen „Stürmers“ betrachten kann, rekurrieren auf alte antisemitische Klischees: die Hakennasen, die feisten Kapitalisten, den blutigen Kindermörder. Es wird, betrachtet man diese Bilder, zunehmend unmöglich, zwischen alter deutscher und neuer palästinensischer Propaganda zu unterscheiden. Der Krieg gegen Israel ist nicht politisch motiviert, er richtet sich grundsätzlich gegen die „jüdische Rasse“.

3. Selbstmord als Selbstverwirklichung. Dieses ist der wohl erschütternste Topos. Immer wiederkehrende Musikvideos im von der P.A. unterhaltenen Fernsehsender glorifizieren Kinder und Jugendliche, die bei Selbstmordanschlägen gegen Israelis starben. Kinder erzählen in Interviews, daß ihr „Berufsziel“ sei, Selbstmordattentäter, also „Shahid“ zu werden. So erklärt ein elfjähriges Mädchen in einer Kindersendung: „Shahada ist etwas sehr, sehr schönes. Jeder sehnt sich nach Shahada. Was könnte es besseres geben, als ins Paradies zu kommen?“ Sportveranstaltungen, die u.a. von der UNO mitfinanziert werden, tragen die Namen jugendlicher Terroristen. Selbst in Sendungen für Kleinkinder erzählen Plüschtiere vom Heldentum eines Judenmordes. Kinder lernen, den eigenen Tod beim Judenmord zu suchen.

Dies also findet in palästinensischen Medien statt, nicht als Ausnahme, sondern als Regel. Nichts weist darauf hin, daß Kinder und Jugendliche in Westbank und Gazastreifen wenigstens mit der Utopie eines friedlichen Zusammenlebens aufwachsen. Selbstmörderischer judenfeindlicher Terrorismus wird glorifiziert. Itamar Marcus macht klar: Diese Indoktrination betreibt die Palästinensische Autorität, allen gen Westen gerichteten Verlautbarungen zum Trotz, in den eigenen Medien. Und: diese Propaganda wird von der Europäischen Union mitfinanziert."


http://www.juedische.at/TCgi/TCgi.cgi?target=home&Param_Kat=45&Param_RB=60&Param_Red=2988

Read the whole article. This is only a small piece.

What sexual humiliation??

Showing their hair?

Their hair is covered because it admits rays which make men go bonkers.

Covering up precedes Islam.

Broder is right about appeasement. The coverage of countries such as Iran and China in Europe are good examples.

Now that Iran has agreed to "temporarily" suspend efforts to enrich uranium, will Europe conclued that all is well with Iran? But wait a minute ... Ha'aretz reports today that the Iranians hate the new Palestinian leader Abbas and that Israel's leaders fear that they will attempt to have him assassinated if he makes efforts to conclude a peace with Israel. If Iran doesn't do this, Syria may. Jeez, that doesn't sound nice. Are these countries to be supported?

Europe is on the threshhold of adulthood, and the coming attempt to resolve the Middle East conflict while keeping nuclear proliferation under control will be a big test of Europe's ability to see reality and to engage problematic partners such as Iran and Syria and the violent wings of the various Palestinian groups.

I hope that Europe passes the test, but nothing in the past makes me confident that she will. It is much easier to grandstand with opposition to America than to pursue the right course in unison with America. What a self-defeating path. As the Van Gogh incident shows, the conflict could devastate Europe more easily than the US.

broder erwähnt salman rushdie. gerade in diesen tagen hat der frühere sänger und heutige geistliche cat stevens alias jusuf islam, der offen für die tötung des schriftstellers eintritt den gorbatchev friedenspreis gewonnen.

http://www.tagi.ch/dyn/news/vermischtes/434690.html

tb, das ist verleumdung oder zumindest dummes nachgeplapper einer verleumdung. hier ist islams gegendarstellung.

http://catstevens.com/articles/00236/index.html

Der einfachste Weg eine intellektuelle "Auszeichnung" zu bekommen, ist im Moment sich so anti-amerikanisch wie möglich zu geben. Es überrascht mich nicht, dass er den Preis so kurz nach seinem Us Einreiseverbot erhalten hat.

@no comment
habe stevens/islams gegendarstellung mehrmals durchgelesen - die ausage läuft schlussendlich darauf hinaus, das er jung (42 jährig) und naiv das falsche gesagt, aber nicht gedacht hat.
quote:
“Under the Islamic law, Muslims are bound to keep within the limits of the law of the country in which they live, providing that it does not restrict the freedom to worship and serve God and fulfil their basic religious duties (Fard ‘Ayn). One must not forget the ruling in Islam is also very clear about adultery, stealing and murder, but that doesn’t mean that British Muslims will go about lynching and stoning adulterers, thieves and murders.
/quote

kann ohne weiteres so verstanden werden: zwar bin ich nicht dagegen das rushdie getötet werden sollte, akzeptiere aber (insofern)(bis auf weiteres) die britischen gesetze, welche dieses vorgehen verbieten.

quote:
The truth is I never once stated support for the ‘Fatwa’
/quote
er hat die fatwa nie aktiv unterstützt - und alles was darauf hindeuten könnte beruht auf fehlinterpretationen seiner, vor den tv-kameras deutlich gesprochenen worte. das er sich dagegegen nicht von der fatwa distanziert hat ist nicht erstaunlich - diesen mut würde auch ein prominenter mann wie jusuf islam nicht aufbringen.

wie auch immer - für einen friedenspreis reicht das allemal.


I never understood how New Left (Die Grünen) could neglect completely the solution of a serious clash of their "holy" principles:

1) Freeing women from father-culture, from "male domination", from tradition.

2) Multi-culturalism; no (german-western) standards -imposing them on muslim immigrants would have been colonialism: This time, tolerance even for a tradition of intolerance and sexual discrimination is more important than 1)

Put it in another way:

1) Get rid of tradition, especially of any form of ReLigio(n); for they are impediments to self-creation, self-expression; they prevent you from being God/Creator of your own I/person-design.

2) Respectful indifference to islamism as a foreign tradition and religion far beyond our right and might even to criticize it.


What about homosexuality? What about minorities within the muslim minority? The Greens dodged away as if these contradictions I mentioned above would not exist; to avoid discussing them the Greens decided to adhere to a double standard strategy: If you are a German woman, or a woman belonging to a Christianity-founded culture you should stick to feminism and start at least your own independent, self-confident career; if not - you should not, at least we do not care.

I call this racism; and this Green racism is not only an internal affair but has become a global form of racism: If an Arab is tortured, say, in the prison of Abu Ghuraib by Arabs -no problem; if he is tortured by some US-servicemen -indignation: The Arab does not count; he is reduced to be a "body"-of-evidence, prooving what New Left already knew: America is evil!

When Arafat was buried masked gunmen invaded the Mukata and a German left-wing commentator called this symbol of the violence of the Arab culture ... "arabische Folklore" -Another contradiction:

1) Pacifism, "civil disobedience" ...
2) Glorification, justification of Arafat and his strategy of ultra-violent terrorism

Time for the Greens to discuss these contradictions instead of hiding behind Ramadan-as-a-gesetzlicher-Feiertag-populism.

One last point:

The Greens hate Jews when they fight for their state and land, when they show self-confidence and resolution; then they call these Jews "Völkermörder", "Herrenmenschen" or implicitely stalinists reconstructing the Berliner Mauer.
The Greens say: Only the victimized Jew, the assassinated Jew, the Jew in Bergen-Belsen is a good Jew ...
The islamofascists say: We agree!

This time it is not a contradiction to discuss; but this tacit agreement between THE GREENS and ISLAMOFASCISM really deserves a closer look.


@ralph:

I call this racism; and this Green racism is not only an internal affair but has become a global form of racism: If an Arab is tortured, say, in the prison of Abu Ghuraib by Arabs -no problem; if he is tortured by some US-servicemen -indignation: The Arab does not count; he is reduced to be a "body"-of-evidence, prooving what New Left already knew: America is evil!

Your remarks are quite interesting and I think the Greens have to resolve this conflict if they want to survive in the long term, but you miss one important point:
I criticize American torture more than Arab torture because I feel closer to American culture. My chances of taking influence are higher. When I travel to the Arab world, I will represent western culture. So I am a little bit "responsible" for its behaviour. Not all Germans are shocked about Abu Ghraib because they hate America. Some are shocked because they love America and feel close to american values.
On the other hand, how can I change anything "from inside" in an Arab country? I would have to learn Arabic, I would have to get accustomed to countless rules, manners, traditions etc, in order to express criticism effectively. Of course, many Arabian countries are dictatorships, and criticism and change must come from outside, but I think this doesn't really harm my argument.

Chomskybot,

you make a good point: Sometimes Germans try to hide behind Rwanda arguing: The Holocaust is not unique, look at Africa, at Stalin etc. The German intellectual Bohrer gave a nice response to such rantings; it goes like this: Es besteht ein unermesslicher Unterschied zwischen den Morden in Ruanda und der Ermordung des Volkes der Schrift durch das Volk der Dichter und Denker.
Besides the own crimes deserve of course more repentance than the flaws of other nations and persons.
I am convinced that your objections are true -at least for you: But many Germans tend to generalize -The Americans tortured? You know it better; 7 Americans tortured ... the army started investigations, published them and then the guilty persons were/are to be punished- in order to denigrate the USA-SA-SS. Most of the American friends criticizing the US that way are false friends -maybe you are particularly severe with yourself or with your friends, but you should never be unjust with them.

And once again: Indulgence is a virtue but there is also some kind of scorn in it: We do not reproach Arabs for anything, because they are not bright and responsible enough to know what they do: In fact, Arabs are not kids; and even the latter must not torture even a frog or a fly. Besides: We have to live together with Arabs, so we´d better treat them as grown-ups ...

Abu Ghuraib was abused to foster terrorism in Iraq and anti-Americanism in Germany; at least as a German I feel responsible for this vicious hatred, far more responsible than for those 7 tormentors who enjoyed themselves during this torture pornography-style -lasting "only" 2 hours.


when the left continues to say appease, appease, there will come a day when, all to late, it will be screaming please no, please no!

It was the day that the fatwa was issued against Salman Rushdie and the European institutions and governments did NOT react with an immediate break in ALL ties to the Mullah-Regime

It's easy to suggest breaking all ties in theory, in practice, it has ridiculous consequences: Nobel Peace Prize winner and human rights activist Shirin Ebadi is not allowed to have a book published in the U.S. (like many other authors from Iran). If these voices are silenced, there is something seriously wrong.
(New York Times)

Well Shirin Ebadi joins other writers from Iran as well as Sudan and Cuba. It happens to be a policy position of the US.

It really is not that difficult. The US does not conduct trade with either Iran or Cuba. In the case of Iran we do not buy their oil.

Just because something is difficult does not mean it should not be done.

Of course, I realize this is not the way "old europe" does things...


I noticed that about Chombotsky as well, he either contradicts himself or chooses to ignore aspects of foreign policy as a means to achieve an end. For instance, He compliments Gorbachev with ending the Cold War and ignores Reagan.

Chombotsksy believes that NATO’s expenditure on military forces was unnecessary, inflammatory and irrelevant. That the single-party system of the Soviets was benign, paternal and already surreptitiously edging towards democratic reform. Reagan saw through this veil and wanted the Soviets to make good on their promises with slogan of “trust but verify.”

The Soviet economy could not survive without getting their hands on hard currency and to do this they wanted to sell was oil and gas. Germany, under Schmidt, was very interested in both buying Soviet natural gas and selling them the technology to help pump it. Reagan saw otherwise and pressured other countries to stop helping to feed the beast, the Soviet system exists no more and Germany is reunited.

But I guess when you’re a nihilist, it becomes easy to sell just about anything to anyone. It was the US who sold all of those tanks [Soviets], chemicals [Germany], nuclear reactors [France], guns [Soviets], bunkers [Germany] and radar stations [France] for Saddam, right?

Additionally, Fidel Castro as a rebel fought under the slogan of free elections; today he refuses a single word of dissent. What kind of a free press exists in Iran, North Korea?

The US does not conduct trade with either Iran or Cuba

Import of the US from Iran in 2004: 110 million US$ Export to Iran in 2004 68.9 million US$. and in 2000 the US imported over 2 900 000$ worth in oil from Iran (but yes, currently the US does not buy Iranian oil, merely fish rugs and antiques).
Source: Census Data

Interesting that those numbers are reported.

I was unable to find any product that was imported or exported.

Of course, in the scope of US trade they are not very much. Still for the year reported, it is a huge increase over previous years.

As Germany has decided not to view Iran as a sponsor of international terrorism, I wonder just what their import/ export figures reflect.

It would seem if you are German it really does not matter who you do business with. It is all about keeping the sinking welfare state a float and protecting social justice.

Of course, in the scope of US trade they are not very much

Corect, yet it is more than nothing like you claimed and also exceeds the trade relations with other countries, for instance the trade with newly freed Afghanistan.

Trade Germany-Iran exceeds that trade by quite a bit. Yet Oil imports from Iran are minimal. Most oil for Germany comes from other OPEC states, and mainly Russia and Norway.

Ein überragendes Essay von Leon de Winter in der heutigen "Zeit":

Vor den Trümmern des großen Traums

Warum selbst in den Niederlanden, dem Mutterland der Toleranz, die islamischen Vorstellungen von Respekt und Ehre mit westlichen Werten nicht harmonieren können

Von Leon de Winter

http://www.zeit.de/2004/48/Leon_de_Winter

"Aber machen wir uns nichts vor, in der nächsten Ausgabe wird Naumann mit seinem unsäglichen Geschwurbel alles wieder einreissen was in dieser Ausgabe aufgebaut wurde."

Ja, denn sonst verliert man an Auflage, alles soll Stimmtigkeit haben, bis auf den kleinsten gemeinsamen Nenner, das Heraustreten aus der Masse kann Konsequenzen nach sich ziehen, vor allem eben auch bei Zeit-Lesern, die sich zwar gemeinhin für etwas Besseres halten, allerdings in den gleichen bornierten Klischees ersticken, wie sie tagtäglich von "Experten" wie Peter Scholl-Latour, Günther Grass, Walter Jens oder Ströbele verbreitet werden.

Ja,
Alice Schwarzer war schon immer gegen die Islamisten, schon jahrelang, und die EMMA-Redaktion wurde deshalb auch schon überfallen! Das muss klar sein!

Ja,
Naumann ist ein Prototyp des politisch-korreklten Daherschwafelns!

Naumann

Jeder Muslim ist in Amerika besser beschützt als in Europa.

Wie werden die Deutschen wohl reagieren wenn sie merken das es sich viele im deutschen Wohlfahrtsstaat bequem gemacht haben. Wie kommt es das so viele Türken die besten BMW's haben ? Und die Deutschen entweder gar kein Auto mehr haben oder nur noch die mickrigen Kleinautos.

Why kill the host when you can suck im slowly out ? --> Germany
Everything is perfect there, no children, perfect infrastructure !!

This greens have created their own society. Destroying the man as the leader of the family making im equal with the woman. This is doom for everybody !!! Children growing up by two mens !!

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