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David,


hast Du schon "Free-Galleries" bemerkt?

Notiz von David: Ja, jetzt schon. Vielen Dank - wurde gelöscht.

Yes, it is a tragedy for democracy in America that only about 50% of the electorate votes. We can do better. Thanks for the reminder.

"We at Medienkritik therefore humbly encourage all our American readers to participate in the political process and would like to take the opportunity point out to the german media once again, that they should kindly refrain from doing so in their country. You see, democracy and free speech are all good and well, but we've actually witnessed shocking - shocking! - excesses of abuse of this so-called right: believe it or not, sometimes free speech results in an opinion we don't like. How dare those uppity Germans! How dare they criticize the current President of the United States or his Government. How dare they point out that they would prefer someone else at the helm of the world's last remaining superpower. Such blatant, raving, frothing Anti-Americanism! We're on to you, indoctrination-oriented German media: you're nothing more than a bunch of gleichgeschaltete cryptofascist nazi-communist antisemitic socialists. And liberal weiners, too!"

O.K., i admit, only the stuff in italics are verbatim quotes. But i get the idea, thank you very much. "Davids Medienkritik" has been a source of constant amusement for me for the last six months, so i thougt i'd give something back.

Finally a posting which I completely agree with.

Anti-Americanism needs to be fought by Democrats and Republicans alike, and it is anti-Americanism in the German media which ought to remain the principal focus of this blog.

Thank you America, and thank you, David & Ray, for your efforts!

Hey jb,

David and I would both agree that the German media (and media everywhere) should have every right to criticize the US, its leaders and anyone or anything else they feel deserve to be criticized. In fact, that is the duty of the media. Absolutely no argument on that point.

Our main problem is with the manner in which the German media criticizes and covers the US and its leaders. The problem as we see it is that German media coverage is often highly biased, one-sided and lacking in balance.

Just look at the postings throughout this blog, they speak for themselves, go read them and decide for yourself. We are not asking everyone here to agree with us, we are simply expressing our perspectives on the media. You can take them or leave them. You may agree with some, disagree with others.

And just as the German media is entitled to free speech, it is also our good right to criticize what we see as unprofessional journalism and to call for more fairness and objectivity in the media. And we won't stop pointing out the sort of ugly anti-Americanism that we saw just this week on the cover of "Stern" anytime soon.

As you can see by the success of our blog, what we have to say here has resonance with a lot of folks out there. We will keep doing our best.

---Ray D.

You write: "The war against the Nazis and the ensuing occupation of Germany were marked by repeated setbacks, mistakes and losses that were costly in terms of both human life and financial resources."
Not true. The occupation of Germany by the USA was not costly in human life. Not at all. (Germany then is not Iraq now!)
As a Dutch liberal hawk and lover of Germany I appreciate your blog, but you tend to be too much ideological.
Allow me one general remark about the nature of anti-Americanism in Germany (and Europe). The USA are the Microsoft of politics, and Bush is a lot less charming than Bill Gates. Keep always in mind: anti-Americanism is foremost a psychological phenomenon.

@ Ben,

I wrote the war AND the occupation of Germany were costly in terms of both human life and financial resources. Absolutely true.

But you are right Ben, Iraq is no Germany: The United States lost 350,000 killed in World War II alone, that is over 300 times as many dead as in Iraq. Defeating and rebuilding Germany was far, far more costly both in terms of human life and financially because the world's democratic nations allowed a fascist dictator to become an "imminent threat" and to attain a level of power allowing him to wage war and a campaign of genocide on a truly grand scale. Fortunately, Iraq's dictator was not allowed to become an "imminent threat" and it never came to that. So you are right when you say: "Germany then is not Iraq now."

On the other hand, no one can deny that there are a number of fascinating and relevant historic parallels between World War II-era Germany and Iraq today. Don't believe me? Well just read this and this for starters.

Now to your contention that the occupation was not costly in terms of human life: Do you have the statistics on how many Americans and other Allied forces were killed during the occupation?

I recently saw a television program that detailed how munitions left over from World War II are still being found and disposed of throughout Europe. Hundreds of people have died since 1945 just disposing of those left-over munitions, I believe the number was 700 dead.

---Ray D.

I may add that the Allied forces were enormously lucky that they didn't have to face an "insurgency" like the one in Iraq today. The Nazis, especially Goebbels, who took charge of that, certainly planned for one - ever heard about "Werwolf"? The Americans were VERY concerned about that and even imprisoned thousands of Germans pre-emptively. It turned that 1) six years of war had just devastated Germany too much and 2) even the most fanatic Nazis had some sense of reality and realized it was all over. But it could have turned out very differently, and the concern about that was great.

I think Bush was perfectly right when he talked about a "catastrophic victory". As lucky as I am that the war went that fast (and with so much fewer casualties than everyone expected), it probably went too fast to drive home the notion of an ultimate defeat. Saddam's remaining loyalists chose to change the battleground and there was little the US could have done about that. And I don't think we need to talk about what's going on in the minds of the Zarkawis of this world. Luckily, Hitler didn't have a lot of those at his disposal...

What a waste D-Day turned out to be! Every American soldier, sailor and airman who died in the invasion of Normandy and the subsequent war in Europe was an American life wasted on Old Europe. New Again, say the Jews about the Holocaust. Never again, say I, about Europe. The Atlantic Alliance is dead. Thank goodness and the hell with Europe and Germans in particular!

@ Wuldorblogger:

The Americans were VERY concerned about that and even imprisoned thousands of Germans pre-emptively.

WHAT!? I hope that wasn't anything like Guantanamo...

I say don't vote.

If you don't care enough about elections and need to be urged to go out and vote, then you probably are too uninformed about the issues and should stay home.

@ Ray

As far as I know, no. (I have to add that I do have some problems with Guantanamo, although I don't see it as the scandal the media have made of it.) To my knowledge, they were treated quite well. It wasn't that long, either, as "Werwolf" soon turned out to be more propaganda than fact.

At least that's the version I have been told at university. Although I have read a lot about Nazi Germany, I have no detailed knowledge about this subject. So take it with a grain of salt, but I do think this was quite a reliable professor.

@Ben Winden,
"As a Dutch liberal hawk and lover of Germany I appreciate your blog, but you tend to be too much ideological."
Being Dutch just as you, I wonder what has to be understood by a Dutch liberal hawk, and what it is that a hawk is loving in Germany. At the moment, the general mindset in Germany is not quite hawkish. I would be less surprised by someone being a liberal dove and lover of Germany. And could you explain yourself a little more why you think this blog tends to be too ideological?
"Allow me one general remark about the nature of anti-Americanism in Germany (and Europe). The USA are the Microsoft of politics, and Bush is a lot less charming than Bill Gates. Keep always in mind: anti-Americanism is foremost a psychological phenomenon."
May I frankly confess that I 'm unable to understand this general remark, let alone to see the wisdom in it? I can only infer that you don't like Bush very much.
Anti-Americanism is a psychological phenomenon in the sense that every belief-system belongs to the realm of the mental, and could thus be called a psychological phenomenon. In what sense is this clarifying and why should I keep this always in mind?

Ben Winden:

Anti-Americanism is NOT primarily a psychological problem: It is a political problem.

From "A Geneaology of Anti-Americanism"

>It is tempting to call anti-Americanism a stereotype or a prejudice, but it is much more than that. A prejudice, at least an ordinary one, is a shortcut usually having some basis in experience that people use to try to grasp reality's complexities. Although often highly erroneous, prejudices have the merit that those holding them will generally revisit and revise their views when confronted with contrary facts. Anti-Americanism, while having some elements of prejudice, has been mostly a creation of "high" thought and philosophy. Some of the greatest European minds of the past two centuries have contributed to its making. The concept of America was built in such a way as to make it almost impervious to refutation by mere facts. The interest of these thinkers was not always with a real country or people, but more often with general ideas of modernity, for which "America" became the name or symbol. Indeed, many who played a chief part in discovering this symbolic America never visited the United States

Here is the link to the article
http://www.thepublicinterest.com/archives/2003summer/article1.html
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Anti-Americanism in Europe predates the creation of the United States. It is a dynamic used in Europe to exorcise European demons about change that is outside Europe's control.

And David and Ray, thank you, as always.

To all at Medienkritik,

thanks for providing some good information, and insite into the German media experience. Also, another 'big thanks' for your non-endorsement and comment stressing that me and my fellow countrymen vote. I think you acted correctly, unlike the Guardian...they recieved an e-mail from me asking them to butt out. I have voted (absentee), but voted probably different than your preferred choice, but as you stress, I did vote. I've been in all 3 major parties (Independent, Republican, Democrat), and have been a registered Democrat since '92. However, I tend to vote for moderates, like Arnie. If he was running I'd vote for him. However, I have no problems with voting for Sen. Kerry, I tend to not give any party too much power and the Rs have it all at the fed level right now. I think from a budget perspective, the parties tend to constrain each other. I have no hatred towards the President, but I simply made another choice. Whether the outside world believes it or not, the people I hang with (a mixed bunch: right, left, etc.) are engaged in the election. The best thing I've realized about my mix of family and friends is that we can debate (passionately), but without insult to the person you are debating with. That very act is what Democracy is all about. I have been to right wing blogs (and was labeled as a leftist), and was at left wing blogs (labeled as a right wing Repulican) and what that shows me is that there is a need for honest and civil debate. One such blog is Winds of Change, you get great information, and you get people with differing opinions that act like adults when they debate. I think your blog can be like that, and I think your non-endorsement says something in that regard. I wonder what the gang here thought of Lieberman in the Demo primary; he was the guy for me but did not make to the California primary. Well, sorry for the long post, but it was my 1st and I had a great deal to say. I promise any future posts will be greatly reduced in size.

Note from Ray D.: Thanks for the thoughtful comments. You are always welcome here. Civil debate and disagreement make our comments section great. The conversations we have going here enrich our entire site. Feel free to come back and (dis)agree with us anytime.

Ohhh, not to forget.

Ray-D your comment about the war being perhaps too quick reminded me of a post by Victor Hanson. His contention was that because of the lack of Turkish support for an invasion from the north of Iraq, that area (part of what now is called the Sunni triangle) never experienced battle, and therefore never felt defeated. I think he had a point, while I think you'd still get some 'feedback' it makes you wonder.

-Pamela,

thanks for that information on 'A Genealogy of Anti-Americanism'. The excerpt was choice. I do think there is some anti-americanism you can tie to Pres Bush, but alot less than some would think. I've been reading the English language online papers from Europe since '96. The term 'hyperpower' wasn't coined in Bush's term, it was in Clinton's term. The term anti-American wasn't coined recently, as you point out, there are other derivations. Thanks for the info!

Thanks guys for the balanced election statement. I think your blog is an ideal place to foster a spirit of bipartisan (actually, multipartisan if you include the German parties) criticism of biased German media. Just think, you win either way: if Bush wins, you'll have four more years of outrageous press coverage in Germany to boost your ratings. If Kerry wins, the anti-americanism in Germany will no longer have Bush as a fig leaf to hide behind (once, twice a pun).

Your Stern "Wild West" post made it to Andrew Sullivan, and I have to think that the cover story about it in yesterday's IHT had something to do with your calling attention to such a hate-filled magazine. I wonder if there was any negative feedback at Stern about the cover.

The greatest service you can do for an expat like me is to make thoughtful Germans take a closer look at what is going on in their country. This calls for even-handedness.

Note from David: Thank you for the kind words, Karl. Nice to have you back.
Could you kindly provide the link to the IHT article?

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/election-test-fl,0,1851284.flash?coll=la-home-multimedia

"We at Medienkritik will never forget what many in the German media have already forgotten: The United States of America liberated Germany from fascist tyranny and stood by our nation as both friend and protector for over four decades in the face of Communism until the Berlin Wall that divided our nation at its heart finally came crashing down. Because of the many painful sacrifices made by the United States"

talking about old stuff.....dont forget the brave german soldiers under General von Steuben fighting in your american independence war. I have never heard americans thanking us for that!

Note from David: Hmm... never, ever?

hey rabauke,

it depends from the point of view:
we owe Uncle Sam ethernal cortege. Its a fact and don't dare to ask why. It would be anti american

ahem and rabuke- No one is asking you germans for eternal cortege- Those in the US are simply asking that you shut your damn mouths unless you have the ability to ACCOMPLISH anything on the world stage. Don't kiss our asses- just shut the hell up and quit the grand standing and preening like a couple of fairies performing auto-fellatio. It is so damn obvious that the german desire to continue building bunkers for saddam, and a fantasy of getting good deals from hussein for oil, combined with a grand impotence un-heard of for a dying nation of 60 million is what forms your policy. You selfish little pricks accepted BILLIONS of US dollars to re-build your acrdid land and create a democracy, and now in modern times you selfish little pirks don't permit the same to occur within Iraq. Thats called impotence little heinzs. You all live in a welfare fantasy bubble similiar to children in a play-crib looking through the side holes at a world that's leaving you behind.
Millions in the US are angry that they even stepped foot in your barren land to crush the insane fool who you elected in the late 1930's.
It is NO coincidence that the 9.11 attacks were planned on YOUR SOIL- none of you fools seem impacted by this, none of you fools seem capable of admitting that there is something to living in a german society when, even when living on welfare, your citizens lash out at all things western. You think thats a coincidence? It is not at all a coincidence.
Your backwards, close minded and dusty coat wearing MPs are like clowns at a circus with no tent to perform under. WMD WILL BE FOUND IN IRAQ- and I promise it will be within a german built bunker. Mark my words as I'll be back to discuss this when it happens.

Note from Ray D.: Pato, we know you like to use some choice words now and then, but this comment is REALLY pushing it. Please tone it down.

hey Pato,

What exactly do you mean when using the expression "we"?
Do you mean the other person in your split personality? Talking about your family, neighbours?
Or even speaking in the name of the complete US nation?
Man, am I glad, that humans like you are not in political responsibility.

Have a nice day

@Ray,
Though I don't wish to encourage anyone to go beyond the limits of decency, I must confess that I'm an admirer of Pato's style, in which the use of some choice words now and then apparently is an essential element. I hope Pato will continue to express himself in the sometimes crude, often funny, but always very clear way which is natural to him.

Note from Ray D.: Fair enough. I didn't realize Pato had so many fans :)

rabauke,

You've missed the forest for the trees, my friend. Why should America thank any country because one of it's citizens had a last name sounded familiar to them in their native toungue? von Steuben was an American! (A General at that, no less) He was also, by some accounts, a fraud. Yet like many true Americans, at that time and since, he rose above his circumtances and helped to give us our freedom. As it happened, he wasn't a General in Frederick the Great's army, as he had claimed, but a lowly NCO. However, he was a highly skilled military man. When Geo Washinton was told of this, he simply ignored it, since the man had done so much good for the struggling continental army. So were some of my ancestors, who had suspicously "German" names and a less than perfect command of the English language when they arrived to play their part. In America, it's never been about where you've come from, but where you are going. That's the heart of the whole issue, I think.

Thanks for abstaining from an endorsement.

We don't need letters from Nigel and we don't need them from Fritz either.:-)

On another note: Have you guessed what the tortured reaction from SPON will be, if Bush wins. How will we Americans be psychoanalyzed? What arrested development disorder will we diagnosed with? What multisyllabic German compound word will be used to describe Americans? What will the front cover of Spiegel be? Will Germany allow the U.S. to qualify for the World Cup? Any guesses?

David, the title of the article was "GM's 'Wild West' cuts rile Germany" by Mark Landler. IHT 10/26/04. I bought a print edition, so I don't know if it's also online. The third paragraph references the Stern cover art.

(Too bad you guys just can't resist the heavy partisan hand as shown by the "October surprise for Kerry?" post today. I honestly thought you were turning over a new leaf with this "nonpartisan" thread. I shoulda known better.)

Go Sox!

Note from Ray: So it was wrong for us to ask why Republicans always seem to be on the receiving end of these last-minute "surprises?" But when veterans try (via Sinclair) to discuss Kerry's dark past as a protester they are intimidated, maligned and shut down. And now we aren't even allowed to post on it anymore without being derided as evil partisans? Do you expect us to just keep our mouths shut about this obvious bias? I don't get it Karl...

Classy. Very classy.

Thank you.

I concur. As a U.S. Citizen, I thank you.

By the way, it was noted that "It is a tragedy that only 50% of the electorate votes". Given the basic ignorance of the electorate (and I don't really believe the US electorate is *terribly* worse on this than any other nation), it is a good thing these people *don't* vote.

Voting is a right, but it is also a *responsibility*. It is a responsibility in that to do it requires a dedication to being informed enough on things that you can weigh the issues and the stances of the politicians to obtain a responsible representative. All too few are willing to perform the duties necessary for a proper exercise of franchise.

So, if you are not willing to make a serious effort to find out about things before expressing your opinion through your franchise, then, by all means, AVOID THE POLLS. Things are screwed up enough as it is.

Thank you. I wish I could more eloquently express how grateful I am, but thank you is all I can come up with. Thank you.

Fine post. But here's another October Surprise for you.

"And now we aren't even allowed to post" ...

Come on Ray, get real. As if I would somehow be able to force you to stop posting on something or even want to. It's your choice whether to be partisan. I'll still read your blog. You'll attract a certain crowd one way or the other. My point is simply that you do a better service here in Germany if you stay away from partisan politics in the US and focus on media bias in Germany. I understand that the issue of media bias in the US is intertwined with this issue, but the two often can be separated, especially if you get away from the silly notion that left-leaning media in America hates America.
Let's face it, there is a lot of dirt to go around in US politics. Playing the victim just won't work.

There is plenty of work left for you with or without Bush. This week's Die Zeit was the worst, i.e. the most anti-american, that I've read in a couple of years. Almost every section has some article ruminating on the "moral decline" of "the hegemon" America. I've decided not to renew my subscription. I can get this kind of blather for free from SPON. They must have put a muzzle on Joe Joffe; he's their Henryk Broder, a fig leaf to cover a seething desire to see America fall. I'm afraid that Die Zeit under Helmut Schmidt is headed back to its irrational anti-americanism of the Cold War Reagan years. Too bad, because they were one of the few voices of reason during the entire period of Iraq II, in spite of an occasional tastless cartoon or article.

At the point when Europeans seriously start looking forward to China -- which is not even a proto-democracy and which effectively has enslaved a huge segment of its population to create the wealth its urban population enjoys -- overtaking the USA, they have abandoned all logic and are wallowing in self-delusion and moral bankruptcy. Wake up Europe: whatever comes after America will not necessarily be better; It may well be a lot worse.

"You selfish little pricks accepted BILLIONS of US dollars to re-build your acrdid land and create a democracy, and now in modern times you selfish little pirks don't permit the same to occur within Iraq. Thats called impotence little heinzs. You all live in a welfare fantasy bubble similiar to children in a play-crib looking through the side holes at a world that's leaving you behind.
Millions in the US are angry that they even stepped foot in your barren land to crush the insane fool who you elected in the late 1930's.
It is NO coincidence that the 9.11 attacks were planned on YOUR SOIL- none of you fools seem impacted by this, none of you fools seem capable of admitting that there is something to living in a german society when, even when living on welfare, your citizens lash out at all things western. You think thats a coincidence? It is not at all a coincidence.
Your backwards, close minded and dusty coat wearing MPs are like clowns at a circus with no tent to perform under. WMD WILL BE FOUND IN IRAQ- and I promise it will be within a german built bunker. Mark my words as I'll be back to discuss this when it happens"

"Note from Ray D.: Pato, we know you like to use some choice words now and then, but this comment is REALLY pushing it. Please tone it down."

- Talk about having your brown nose faar up the americans ... He is talking about germans here man, are you a german?

One thing we Americans forget is that when you look at the ethnic makeup of most American counties, Germany, like it or not, is as much a part of where we came from, as much a part of our uniquely American character, as England. It is a part of our American work ethic - what made American great.

I believe it is part of what stiffens the American spine during times of trouble. It's the origin of that quiet determination that made us roll up our sleeves after 9/11 and so many other disasters that have befallen us and get on with the process of cleaning up the rubble and looking to the future.

I am proud to be English, Scots, Irish, and, yes, German. My grandmother was a Benner. My husband's father was an Armel.

Good people. Strong people. Determined.

Somehow we are all losing touch with that simplicity in the modern world, but I think it's still there, buried under all the BS. I think the endorsement of Bush in the Bild shows that ordinary people still have common sense. It's the overeducated ones we have to worry about. Arthur Salzburger Jr.'s flexible urban viewpoint is going to the be the death of us all. :)

Thank you for a wonderful post, and for a wonderful blog that makes the blogosphere (God I hate that word) a much richer place.

There is a reason most American's don't associate German's positively with our Revolution. There were two primary types of Germans fighting.

1-German immigrants who became us, they were no longer Germans, but Americans.

2-Actual German troops. These men were mercenaries for the British, primarily Hessians. They were particularly brutal and hated people.

The states of Germany were allied with Hanoverian King George and his British Empire in the war, they were not a friend to the American Revolution.

johnb,

You ought to refine your thinking a bit on this. Many of those German troops were slaves, literally, sold by the nondemocratic leaders of the German states they lived in, including the predecessor of Hessen & Bavaria.

I'm not an expert on that period of history, but I thought I recalled reading that they did not make very motivated troops and often ran for the hills, literally becoming another early wave of German immigrant to the US. It is hard to blame them for the atrocities commited by their nondemocratic rulers.

Germans, who love to point out slavery in the US as a way to put America down, tend to forget their own sad history with "Leibeigene", forced emigration, etc.

David,

Wie gewoehnlich (wo sind die @#$@$ Umlauete am laptop?), ein fabelhafter Post.

Nu sach' noch mal wer die deutschen Nachrichten wären irgendwie *nur* dem Kerry zugewandt - man kann doch auch so Sachen lesen wie das hier:

http://www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,1185,OID3744502_REF1,00.html

(I am French/Australian , living in France)

Very interesting comments about the parallels between Irak and germany-2nd world war. I was thinking the same myself.

I guess the most important lesson from the 2nd world war is that pacifism creates death and disaster in the long run (which is what its supposed to avoid right ?). I often use the failed diplomacy of Chamberlain with Hitler as an example of not being able to see an ambitious dictator for what he is.

In "a man of conviction", in opinionJournal online, the author compares John Kerry to Chamberlain. Indeed.

re not acknowledging the existence of "evil", there is a great blog on
Vibod's blog about "sheep, sheepdogs and wolves"
I must say, the left's scoffing at the use of the word "evil" is very disturbing. maybe they should read history a little more. Better still, maybe they should be forced to watch videotapes of saddam's son qusay torturing people for fun and power.


David:

When Germany and France would not support the U.S. at the U.N in the run-up to the Irag war,my husband and I (unseriously)contemplated changing our German and French last names to Smith and Jones in protest. You and Jean-Francois Revel in his work, Anti-Americanism, make me glad we were not serious. Thank you. Little old Sioux lady in South Dakota.

@rc

General von steuben was german not american, he became an american citizenship much later......probably you should get the facts right!
Friedrich Wilhelm Ludolf Gerhard Augustin von Steuben wurde am 17.09.1730 in Magdeburg geboren.
http://www.felge-md.de/md/steuben.htm

Dear David:

As an American who spent a number of years in Germany, I think contributions to the American election are valuable: it is constructive for Americans to know what those in other countries think, even if some Americans might not agree with the views expressed.

What is not constructive is what the Guardian did: an outright effort to organize a mass-campaign to change the election. That is guaranteed to be resented, and is counter-productive.

I was in Germany during the war in Afghanistan and during the war in Iraq. What saddened me was how many Germans saw both wars as examples of American imperialism. Germany today has a democracy because the American army liberated a great nation--and yes, Germany is a great nation--from a brutal dictator, and made a decades-long commitment to building the framework of freedom. Yet when America sought do for Afghanistan and Iraq what she had earlier done for Germany, the German citizenry revolted. I have sad memories of sitting in the coffee lounge of a German university during the war in Afghanistan being told in the most intense German how evil it was for the American empire to liberate the Afghanis from the Taliban. That Germans later expressed in even stronger terms their detestation for the liberation of Iraq scarcely came as a surprise.

Once in a discussion with a German friend, I began: "Well, of course I love my country, but I have many disagreements with what we sometimes do in foreign policy." I got only as far as "of course I love my country" when my German friend interrupted: "I would never say I love my country." In telling this story to other Germans, they have all said the same: "I would never say I love my country." I think that is very sad. Germany is great nation whose contributions to civilization cannot be reckoned, and her glory is too great to be obscured by the tragedies that began in the 1930s. I love my country in part because I am grateful for her role in establishing democracy in Europe, Nicaragua, South Korea, Japan, and Afghanistan. I hope we will soon be successful in establishing democracy in Iraq. And I hope that today's Germans will stand with us for democracy in the Middle East with the same strength that their parents stood with us in Europe.

Cordially,
Bruce Griffin
Instructor of Philosophy and Theology
Ave Maria College of the Americas
Nicaragau

i wonder why everybody keeps on thinking that military intervention (e.g. usa in germany in wwII) serves another purpose than selfinterest
or do you belive that the us troops liberated germany and the rest of europe because of compassion and spreading the word of democracy
if it was not for one's own 'safety' or profit there would not be as many military actions throughout the world as there have been or are now

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