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He should apply for a job at BBC. BBC wrote:

"At least 87 US soldiers have died in action this month while aid agencies counted at least 470 Iraqi dead in the Sunni city of Falluja alone last week, with 243 women and 200 children among them."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3625879.stm


Ah ja! Better than Spiegel in Germany.

Thanks David, I'm blushing.

What bothers me about Lehming isn't his "anti-American sentiment" - he also occasionally writes favorable articles about American culture - but the lazy and arrogant way he presents his unfounded speculations as truth.

Google Platz Nr. 1:

praschl, Donnerstag, 26. Juni 2003, 10:26

Malte Lehming, Washington. Malte Lehming, Washington, hat im Tagesspiegel von heute einen kompletten Artikel von Warren St. John aus der New York Times vom 22.Juni abgeschrieben. Ähm. Er würde vermutlich sagen: paraphrasiert.

Warren St. John, New York Times:
By his own admission, 30-year-old Karru Martinson is not what you'd call a manly man. He uses a $40 face cream, wears Bruno Magli shoes and custom-tailored shirts. His hair is always just so, thanks to three brands of shampoo and the precise application of three hair grooming products: Textureline Smoothing Serum, got2b styling glue and Suave Rave hairspray.
Mr. Martinson likes wine bars and enjoys shopping with his gal pals, who have come to trust his eye for color, his knack for seeing when a bag clashes with an outfit, and his understanding of why some women have 47 pairs of black shoes. ("Because they can!" he said.) He said his guy friends have long thought his consumer and grooming habits a little . . . different. But Mr. Martinson, who lives in Manhattan and works in finance, said he's not that different.
"From a personal perspective there was never any doubt what my sexual orientation was," he said. "I'm straight as an arrow."
usw.
Malte Lehming, Tagesspiegel:
Wie ein Macho sieht er nicht aus. Karru Martinson ist dreißig Jahre alt, benutzt teure Gesichtscreme und trägt Schuhe von Bruno Magli. Seine Hemden lässt er sich schneidern. Seine Haare sehen tiptop aus. Kein Wunder: Er wäscht sie mit drei verschiedenen Shampoos und pflegt sie mit Spezial-Kuren. Am Tag arbeitet Martinson als Anlageberater, in seiner Freizeit geht er gerne neue Kleidung kaufen, abends verabredet er sich in Wein-Bars. Wer ihn kennenlernt, denkt oft, Martinson sei schwul.
Aber das stimmt nicht. "An meiner sexuellen Orientierung gab es nie einen Zweifel", sagt er, "ich stehe ausschließlich auf Frauen." Das ist frei übersetzt. Auf Amerikanisch heißt der Satz: "I'm straight as an arrow."
usw.

http://arrog.antville.org/stories/429989

It is not 1.3 billion dollars, it is 2 billion dollars and it is a payoff for the Camp David Accords.

And quite a few Americans, myself included, are beginning to think it should be pulled.

And this 'aid agencies in Fallujah' crap? What? They're in Fallujah? On the phone from Baghdad?

No. None of the above. Fallujah is cut off. There is no power, no water, no food, no medicine. All vehicles bringing aid into the city during the so-called cease-fire are inspected. Someone may be giving out stats from hospitals, but they are not representative.

Military people I have spoken with estimate the enemy casualties at over 1500. Civilians who didn't have the brains to get out after the contractors were incinerated were given a second chance at the outset of the ceasefire.

No one who chose to stay is a civilian.

And Suave Rave hairspray is what you get in the drugstore.

I'm in a bad mood.

--470 Iraqi dead in the Sunni city of Falluja alone last week, with 243 women and 200 children among them."--

Not enough.

The Italians found out the hard way when they took them on. First the children then the MBOs (Moving Black Objects) went in front of the barbarians. When the barbarians regrouped - the women and children went behind them.

Just because you're a woman or "child" (what is the age, please), doesn't mean your innocent.

Spiegel online found that out.


Paleos do it all the time, stand behind future jihadis.

The only true innocents are babies.

Here's to the coddled, metrosexual asswipe reporting on the war from Manhatten, between trips to the drugstore to buy his cheap hairspray.

Got the following from a friend whose son is a Marine in Fallujah. Our forces morale is awesome and we need to support them in every possible way.

Here's the word from the 2nd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment (2/4) commander in Fallujah. You may not have this perspective from media sources. It was written to the families of his Marines.
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
Dear Ladies, the last two days have been the hardest two days this battalion has faced in over 30 years. Within the blink of an eye the situation went from relatively calm to a raging storm. You've known that since arriving there has been violence; attacks have been sporadic and mostly limited to roadside bombs. Your husbands have become experts at recognizing those threats and neutralizing them before we are injured. Up to this point the war has been the purview of corporals and sergeants, and the squad they lead.

Yesterday the enemy upped the ante.

Early in the morning we exchanged gunfire with a group of insurgents without significant loss. As morning progressed, the enemy fed more men into the fight and we responded with stronger force. Unfortunately, this led to injuries as our Marines and sailors started clearing the city block by block. The enemy did not run; they fought us like soldiers. And we destroyed the enemy like only Marines can. By the end of the evening the local hospital was so full of their dead and wounded that they ran out of space to put them. Your husbands were awesome all night they stayed at the job of securing the streets and nobody challenged them as the hours wore on. They did not surrender an inch nor did flinch from the next potential threat. Previous to yesterday the terrorist thought that we were soft enough to challenge. As of tonight the message is loud and clear that the Marines will not be beaten.

Today the enemy started all over again, although with far fewer numbers, only now the rest of the battalion joined the fight. Without elaborating too much, weapons company and Golf crushed their attackers with the vengeance of the righteous. They filled up the hospitals again and we suffered only a few injuries. Echo company dominated the previous day's battlefield. Fox company patrolled with confidence and authority; nobody challenged them. Even Headquarters Company manned their stations and counted far fewer people openly watching us with disdain. If the enemy is foolish enough to try to take your men again they will not survive contact. We are here to win.

The news looks grim from back in the States. We did take losses that, in our hearts, we will always live with. The men we lost were taken within the very opening minutes of the violence. They could not have foreseen the treachery of the enemy and they did not suffer. We can never replace these Marines and Sailors but they will fight on with us in spirit. We are not feeling sorry for ourselves nor do we fear what tomorrow will bring. The battalion has lived up to its reputation as Magnificent Bastards.
-----------------------------
Yesterday made everyone here stronger and wiser; it will be a cold day in Hell before we are taken for granted again.

Find it in the comments here -
http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/001670.html#comtop

about the 10th comment down.

@Pamela,

I am watching "The Band of Brothers" on the History Channel. Last night, I thought of those brave men who this story is about. I also thought of all those brave men in Iraq too.

I am so proud that I live in a nation that has so many brave men who are willing to give their all so that we might live in freedom. Freedom does cost and that cost is paid with the treasure of our nation.

Those who have never had to pay the price for freedom will never understand this. Those whose freedoms are protected will not either. It is sad but it is the world we live in.

--Yesterday made everyone here stronger and wiser; it will be a cold day in Hell before we are taken for granted again.--

No better friend, no worse enemy - US Marines.

The Italians are also learning the hard way.

Looks as if the Japanese "hostages" might not be hostages after all, one of the Iraqi bloggers posted about the rumor and he might have been right.

Thanks, Pamela.

Very strong words, very powerful message. I admire the soldiers risking their lifes daily, and I am deeply sorry for the loss of their comrades. They are indeed a wonderful 'band of brothers'.

This war will NEVER be Vietnam, as long as the White House will FULLY support the troops. Vietnam was not a failure of the military, it was a failure of the politicians. So far, the politicians are not behaving like in Vietnam in any way.

I can see how 'peace loving' people in the world could have difficulties with this message, talking so bluntly about killing the enemies. Well, that's what a war is all about. And by the way, the peaceniks seem to have absolutely no reaction of disgust when it comes to the murder of hostages in Iraq and civilians in Israel.

"DUBAI (Reuters) - Arab television stations aired a new audio tape purportedly from Osama bin Laden on Thursday offering a truce with European states if they stop attacking Muslims, but not with the United States.
The voice on the tape, broadcast by Dubai-based Al Arabiya channel and then by Qatar-based Al Jazeera station, said there would be no truce with the United States.
The taped message also vowed revenge on Israel for the death of Hamas leader Ahmed Yassin, killed last month in Gaza."

Perhaps the European "peace" people just want to save their lives?!

Read Malte Lehming today in Tagesspiegel and Seite 3 in Frankfurter Rundschau: That is German journalism - evil rhetoric.
Headlines: Predigt eines Ratlosen. Stocksteif Kurs halten. Der Unfehlbare.

Thanks for the tip, Gabi, I'll make sure to avoid the Tagesspiegel today.

The Frankfurter Rundschau lese ich sowieso nicht. Ever since I read a throwaway, back-page article a couple of years ago about how racist Americans are. To Americans, it said, Indians are only good for pakoras and samosas - a shock to me, having grown up with Indian-American classmates and friends. When a publication prints something that offensive, it doesn't deserve to be read again.

if one is such a windbag as m.lehming, it must be hard for him to believe in the truthfulness of others.

malte must be quite sure that "tagesspiegel" readers sure have an "idea" about america but no contact to americans and no access to american media.

lets send him to North Korea where these assumptions might even fit!

;)

We need a German Weekly Standard. Who will start one with me? I need at least 10 people with journalism experience.
Max Niederhofer

pamela wrote "Got the following from a friend whose son is a Marine in Fallujah. Our forces morale is awesome and we need to support them in every possible way."

have you already seen this?

Help U.S. Marines Equip TV Stations in Iraq

Support an alternative information source in the "Sunni Triangle."

News broadcasts in Iraq can be biased, inaccurate and incomplete - to put it mildly. Your contribution will create a television alternative owned and operated by Iraqis. This will provide better information, counter efforts to provoke and help reduce tensions.

--

I m sure some of you might already have detected it, but maybe david could still make it an advertisement, cause I think its THE thing to do/aid

@Gabi
.... and Seite 3 in Frankfurter Rundschau: That is German journalism - evil rhetoric.
Headlines: ..... Stocksteif Kurs halten. Der Unfehlbare.

FR's "Stocksteif Kurs halten" and "Der Unfehlbare" was shortly before even a topic from White-House-reporters directly to Bush in his recent press-conference - to call these headlines "evil rethoric" makes me wonder if this question by an American reporter would also be called "evil rethoric" then:

QUESTION: Mr. President, I'd like to follow up on a couple of these questions that have been asked.

One of the biggest criticisms of you is that whether it's WMD in Iraq, postwar planning in Iraq, or even the question of whether this administration did enough to ward off 9-11, you never admit a mistake. Is that a fair criticism, and do you believe that there were any errors in judgment that you made related to any of those topics I brought up?

And Tagesspiegel is indeed IMO a silly paper. Mostly a lecture for the Schöneberger Lehrer type, and rightly the smallest in circulation amongst the three serious daily papers in Berlin. I don't know anybody who subscribes to it, but plenty Berliners who dislike it. Mildly amusing how much attention it apparently receives here.

If you must insist on reading a local Berlin paper, go for Berliner Zeitung, though nothing beats Süddeutsche at the moment, despite its occasional moody commentaries.

hi max :)

"german weekly standard" :0

awesome idea!

I have NO journalistic experience :|

but I could cook the coffee for you ;)

No, the worst is SPIEGEL and STERN and then SZ, half of Tagesspiegel and FR. SPIEGEL and STERN I don't read them anymore. I cannot bear this kind of silly language. It is even too much honor to visit their website. I ignore them. The best what we can do. It is enough when David presents the worst of SPIEGEL here.

Gabi
No, the worst is SPIEGEL and STERN and then SZ, half of Tagesspiegel and FR.

I already lauded SZ. SPIEGEL is for nice polemic entertainment (the standard half-nude girl in the Personalien-section used to get my first attention! *g*) and an occasional good story. STERN is a joke (except for Jörges)

But instead of you only bashing, why don't you name a positive example? What newspaper fits YOUR journalistic standards then? German or English language, pick either. So you have ten-thousands to choose from.

Klink, the Tagesspiegel normally doesn't receive any attention on this blog. I read it because I find it to be one of the better German newspapers. Most of its political commentaries are sensible, and generally lack the anti-American spin so prominent all over the German media. It's the only German publication I know of which still has a somewhat "Atlantacist" feel to it, regarding the U.S. without the suspicious hostility found elsewhere, and even publishing American columnists who are not from the far left.

The Berliner Zeitung reads like an old Ossie paper to me, made a bit more moderate to fit the times, but still basically a stale Party organ. Eine Lektüre für Marzahner Lehrer.

But I love to read Henryk Broder!

Hey, Klink, some weeks ago you wanted to know from the posters in here what they think about US domestic policies, especially what their stance is on Christian spirituality as practiced by the religious right. So, let me return the question, as I notice that although you don't spare a second thought on all matters before making your wise posts here you've been remarkably silent on Pamela's post above. Also, you've made a comment in another thread on pre-emptive strikes which gives me the impression that you've come to terms in the military field.

So, what is your stance on US Marines dying in Fallujah? Do you think those brave men are dying for the whole West, for the Germans, for the French, too? Or is it their war, none of your business? What do you feel when you hear stories about US soldiers dying in yet another ambush?

@kid charlemagne
I read it [Tagesspiegel]because I find it to be one of the better German newspapers.

I stopped reading it due to too many factual errors. I found once 4 or 5 grave errors in _one_ issue - things like "The Soccer World Championship of 1972" or similar. That done it for me. (though that was before DiLorenzo took over)

And Berliner Zeitung a stale party organ of what party? LOL - not even our favourite West-Berlin coldwar-warrior Georg Gafron ever talked in such language. What do you call ND oder Junge Welt then? Please wake up, the wall fell in 1989, "Ossis" are today Germans like you and me. Erich Böhme (formerly SPIEGEL - haha) turned it into something completely different.

@Kleinmut
Hey, Klink, some weeks ago you wanted to know from the posters in here what they think about US domestic policies, especially what their stance is on Christian spirituality as practiced by the religious right. So, let me return the question..

Return the question without answer first? I am still waiting for an answer. In the meantime, I continue to read religious references in US-conservative blogs day after day. I think it's a worthy topic because it does play an important role for difference in perception.

Would _you_ want prayer-calls on a political board like this from German Bush-supporters? Do you think the German Army might also be seen as a Christian Army? What is people's opinion about this here?

So, let me return the question, as I notice that although you don't spare a second thought on all matters before making your wise posts here you've been remarkably silent on Pamela's post above.

I had seen Pamela's Text already a number of times on Freerepublic and also on David Hackworth's site Soldiers for the Truth.

Here is perhaps a picture-gallery illustrating such text.

I'm not associated with Free Republic in any way, so I don't know what the fuss is about. I'm not endorsing their views and opinions if that's what you meant. As for your question "Would _you_ want prayer-calls on a political board like this from German Bush-supporters? Do you think the German Army might also be seen as a Christian Army? What is people's opinion about this here?", I guess it's purely hypothetical. If not, well, I believe one's personal belief is just that, personal. OTOH I don't have any problem with people publicly practicing their belief, if that's what you implied. As for the Bundeswehr - what's your point here? Certainly the German army should not enforce the Christian faith among it's members, but I can hardly remember any incidents which might illustrate that practice. And while certainly in the US Army corps there's lot of talking about God the Almighty, I clearly can remember that Atheists, Buddhists or Muslims are given equal chance to practice their belief according to Western civilization standards.

So now it's your turn - what do you think of US Marines dying for the sake of Western civilization?

The truly absurd thing about that commentary is the US aid to egypt was essentially a bribe to get them to sign a deal with Israel- a deal they have since undermined endlessly by fomenting anti-israeli sentiment in the mosques and by publishing the nastiest rumors concerning israel in its state run papers.....

As to Osama's "truce" - take it from the horse's mouth, via Dailypundit:

It was Mohammed himself who laid the foundation for Islam to build a history of making peace with an enemy in order to attack at a later, more opportune time. In 628, Mohammed made a "peace treaty" with the Quraish tribe in Mecca in order for Moslems to worship at the Ka'abah. Two years later, when he had gained more followers and was considerably stronger, he abrogated the treaty and attacked the Quraish people, slaughtering every male among them. This agreement between Mohammed and the infidels of Mecca is known as the "Truce of Hudaybiyyah." "This truce became a model and a precedent in Islamic law for all agreements with infidels: never permanent, never lasting more than 10 years (with the possibility of another 10 years extension, no more). Islam is not permitted to stop its war against non-Moslerm for more than this period."

@Kleinmut
As for your question "Would _you_ want prayer-calls on a political board like this from German Bush-supporters? Do you think the German Army might also be seen as a Christian Army? What is people's opinion about this here?", I guess it's purely hypothetical. If not, well, I believe one's personal belief is just that, personal. OTOH I don't have any problem with people publicly practicing their belief, if that's what you implied.

Now you evaded me - you also wanted to have a personal question answered by me. Lemme switch to our native tongue, as this is important and my English isn't good enough.

Ich weiß, daß diese Fragen auf Deutsch ein wenig ungewohnt klingen - aber wenn Du in konservativen US-blogs mitliest, ist Dir ja klar, daß das Thema keine Seltenheit liest. Dass bei Bush und Teilen seiner Führung ein starkes christliches Sendungsbewusstsein vorhanden ist. Von dem Verprecher "Crusade" über Betstunden im Weissen Haus bis hin zu einem Boykin im Pentagon, der offen von einer "Christian Army" spricht.

Und auf US-Seite kommt auch öfter das Argument, daß Europa deshalb die falsche (zu weiche) Haltung zum islamischen Fanatismus hätten, weil Europa vom christlichen Glauben abgefallen sei, "zu atheistisch" und deshalb den "muslimischen Horden" (hüstel) keine Abwehr bieten könnten. ("The French/Frogs will have Sharia first").

Und ich meine dies hier nun auch sehr ernst - nicht ironisch, zynisch, lächerlichmachend oder sonstwie (ich komme selber aus einem christlichen Hintergrund und habe Respekt davor) - und möchte einfach nur aus Neugier wissen, wie der normale deutsche Bush-Unterstützer persönlich zu diesen Themen steht. Ob ein Neuling wie Du, oder eigentlich noch vielmehr von den Regulars wie Gabi, kid charlemagne, Jens, ch. speicher, David, etc.

Bezeichnest Du Dich selbst als Christ? Gehst Du in die Kirche? Betest Du? Falls Du betest, betest Du manchmal auch für den Erfolg im Irak und betest Du für George Bush? Siehst Du die Bundeswehr als christliche Armee und das momentane Geschehen als Vorboten einer Gefahr zwischen Christen und Muslimen?

Glaubst Du, daß einer der Gründe für Europas "Versagen" beim Thema Terror (aus Bush-Unterstützer-Sicht) ein anderes Herangehen an den Glauben ist?

Die Antwort stand bereits oben. Alles Privatsache, es kann von mir aus jeder nach seinem Gusto glücklich werden wie er will. Ich habe kein Problem mit öffentlichen oder privaten Glaubensbekenntnissen.

Aber ehrlich gesagt ist es ja auch nebensächlich, was ich persönlich davon denke, stimmts? Es geht Ihnen doch gar nicht um meine Meinung, auch nicht um die Meinung von Gabi, kid charlemagne, usw. Diese Avatare einschliesslich mir sind in Ihrer Vorstellung nur Marionetten, die als Stichwortgeber fungieren. Das kann man an Ihrem bisherigen Verhalten hier sehr schön beobachten. Häufig äussern Sie sich in neuen Threads erst einmal überhaupt nicht, bis jemand wie z.B. Gabi die Diskussion oder das ursprüngliche Posting um weitere Details erweitern möchte. Dann kommt die Stunde Mr. Klinks, und er kann allen Postern beweisen, wie falsch doch die meisten liegen, und überhaupt dass so fehlerhaftes Zeug nur gepostet wird, weil man einseitig Bush-lastig oder in seiner Kriegsbegeisterung verblendet sei. Sie suchen nicht nach Argumenten, Sie suchen nicht die Diskussion, nicht eine Verifikation Ihrer eigenen Erkenntnisse. Sie suchen nur nach Material, um mit Dung der Marke "Ich wusste es doch, Sie sind ein Radikaler/religiöser Fanatiker/Kriegsbefürworter!" nach Postern werfen zu können.

"Dass bei Bush und Teilen seiner Führung ein starkes christliches Sendungsbewusstsein vorhanden ist. Von dem Verprecher "Crusade" über Betstunden im Weissen Haus bis hin zu einem Boykin im Pentagon, der offen von einer "Christian Army" spricht."

Ihre Obsession mit Bush ist manchmal richtig erschreckend. Es wurde Ihnen vielleicht noch nicht richtig vermittelt, daher schreibe ich es Ihnen: Ihre Beweise für Bushs Fehler etc. interessieren hier niemanden. Bush hat natürlich Fehler gemacht, so wie jeder andere Staatslenker, aber es interessiert niemanden, ob Bush eines Tages diese Fehler vor laufender Kamera zugibt. Es interessiert nicht mal jemanden, ob Sie selbst noch grün darüber werden, dass er es nicht getan hat. Nicht mal Ihre Oberlehrerhaftigkeit, Ihre Zillionen Beweise, Ihr kindhaftes Bestehen darauf, dass Bush erst wieder Ihren Respekt verdient hätte, wenn er in den öffentlichen Beichtstuhl tritt.

Noch erschreckender finde ich aber das hier: "und möchte einfach nur aus Neugier wissen, wie der normale deutsche Bush-Unterstützer persönlich zu diesen Themen steht." Sagen Sie, Mr. Klink, fällt Ihnen eigentlich nicht selbst auf, wie sehr Sie dem Muster, was viele, einschliesslich mir, aber sicher auch Sie, an Bush stört, dieses holzschnittartige "Either you're with us, or with the [whatever]", wie sehr Sie diesem Muster selbst folgen? Merken Sie nicht, wie Sie damit viele im Kern fruchtbare Diskussionen zerstören, indem Sie auf einmal die Poster hier in zwei Lager unterteilen, und den Diskussionspartner, der eine von Ihren Ansichten abweichende Meinung vertritt, unvermittelt in ein Lager stecken, in dem er sich überhaupt nicht sieht? Merken Sie es nicht? Oder sind Ihnen die Konsequenzen egal?

"Ob ein Neuling wie Du" - haben Sie sich hier also schon häuslich eingerichtet? Wie schön, geniessen Sie die Zeit, die Ihnen hier noch bleibt.

Kleinmut wrote:
Die Antwort stand bereits oben. Alles Privatsache, es kann von mir aus jeder nach seinem Gusto glücklich werden wie er will.

Nein. Und hier ist jedes Posting Privatsache - beruflich ist schliesslich niemand hier.

Ihre Obsession mit Bush ist manchmal richtig erschreckend.

Daß Bush und Irak HIER Themen sind, liegt in der Natur dieses Blogs und an der Weltgeschichte. Und es ärgert mich, wie der Mann agiert.

Noch erschreckender finde ich aber das hier: "und möchte einfach nur aus Neugier wissen, wie der normale deutsche Bush-Unterstützer persönlich zu diesen Themen steht." Sagen Sie, Mr. Klink, fällt Ihnen eigentlich nicht selbst auf, wie sehr Sie dem Muster, was viele, einschliesslich mir, aber sicher auch Sie, an Bush stört, dieses holzschnittartige "Either you're with us, or with the [whatever]", wie sehr Sie diesem Muster selbst folgen?

*seufz* Lemme switch to English, so others can understand my point as well.

Why is it one can ask and argue with Americans on here in a blunt, direct and controversial way about issues and why are Germans so darn sensitive and get a hissy-fit about "personal questions" or try to engage in lengthy meta-discussion why someone might be a troll, Agent provocateur or whatever to discredit him and not having to respond on issues? WhatDoIknow, Sandy, Pato, Joe - all been direct and blunt forward about issues. I could also name people in other conservative US-forums - hard and sometimes brutal on the issue, but YOU COULD TALK WITH THEM without them getting a hissy-fit.

And on the German side, we have Gabi, the-man-whose-name-I-forgot, tictoc, ch speicher, etc. With a couple of exceptions, I mostly felt I experienced personal putdowns from these people towards me - what I would have wanted instead were putdowns on an argumentative level as I got at times from WhatDoIknow, Joe or Sandy. This is much more fruitful in the end and there is no reason to dislike each other, just the arguments perhaps.

Is this difference between Germans and Americans the deep-sitting political correctness in Germany or what is the reason? It really begins with all this formality of "Sie-zen" here (Note to English reader: "Sie" is a special formal way to adress someone, usually NOT used on the Internet, but here), but doesn't end there.

oberlehrer klink raetsel:

von wem stammt der folgende "versprecher"?

"crusade for freedom!"

und wie denkt der "normale deutsche" ... darüber?

Sorry, Klink, I'm not German. As for your victimization - "look, I wanted to exchange arguments, but unlike the American ones he just didn't want that but descended into personal attacks" - it won't work. You know, since you made clear that you're German and living in Germany, Sandy, Pato and Joe just can ressort to the fact that they don't have to share their country with you. Sorry if that hurts you. Ok, I'm not sorry.

Kleinmut
Sorry, Klink, I'm not German.

And you hold what citizenship?

You know, since you made clear that you're German and living in Germany, Sandy, Pato and Joe just can ressort to the fact that they don't have to share their country with you. Sorry if that hurts you. Ok, I'm not sorry.

No, it doesn't hurt - because I spent the majority of my life outside of Germany and thus aware for example that Americans are even amongst themselves often more easy in discussions than people in Germany - not just like your silly polemic suggested.

"because I spent the majority of my life outside of Germany and thus aware for example that Americans are even amongst themselves often more easy in discussions than people in Germany"

Oh, really? I'd like to know where you spent most of your life. Perhaps then I might expose my citizenship, too, if that's what you please.

BTW, you still owe me an answer what you personal stance is on US Marines fighting in Falluja. Do you support them? What do you feel when you hear another brave man has fallen in the battle? Do you think they should be there, fighting for us? Or come home? Or negotiate?

Kleinmut wrote:
Oh, really? I'd like to know where you spent most of your life. Perhaps then I might expose my citizenship, too, if that's what you please.

Is this one of those "Now let me return the question", while you never had given me ANY answers in the first place? Why should I fall for it this time? What's next? You are gonna try to sell me a certain bridge over in Brooklyn? ;-)

I don't mean this insulting now, but I will cut down in communication with you for a bit, because I don't find it to be fruitful. Looking back at our exchanges so far on here, we began to bicker quite quickly against each other (similar like it happened once before with the-man-whose-name-I-forgot), and this blog should be about arguments on Germany/US/Iraq and not personal bickering ad hominem-style which is only boring.

So keep your citizenship and your views on religion as your personal secret on here, if this was already too much for you. I won't fall for silly games over it.

Won't ignore you forever, only any of this meta-discussions or victimizations. Looking hopefully forward to postings on other things than me perhaps? But hey, if you continue to post like this, maybe try "Klinkwatch" as your nick, if one looks at the average content of your past postings! (Kidding! Kidding! *g*)

"while you never had given me ANY answers in the first place" You might want to scroll up to see that I exhaustingly answered your question on religion and belief. But I see, it's Klink's "now that you only insulted me I can sneak away without answering any questions which might compromise me" game all over the place.

Oh, and still waiting for your explanation where you've been spending all those years outside of Germany.

klink isn't able to answer truthfully, he has no life, no personality. He sounds like a typical German journalist. Especially one from Spiegel or Stern. I highly suspect Spiegel, since he didn't really appear here until after the "support Bush" campaign waged here. Klink go back to your desk and shut up. Dream up some more quasi-intellectual answers you troll.

Daffy wrote:
klink isn't able to answer truthfully, he has no life, no personality. He sounds like a typical German journalist. Especially one from Spiegel or Stern. I highly suspect Spiegel....

Daffy, your infantile ad-hominem attacks against me have at least improved in tone. Because the last time you crawled out from under your rock, you insulted me with this:

Perhaps Klink is the 21 terrorist! Or just another dumbass German, with his head in the clouds, smoking dope from a Netherlands coffee shop.

Posted by: Daffy | April 7, 2004 05:27 nachm.

But since googling for "Daffy site:medienkritik.typepad.com" does not reveal anything worth reading on arguments from you so far:

/ignore from now on

I have been proven right again. He is unable to answer anything with a direct truthfull answer. Klink you can just KMA!

Klink = Frank Patalong.

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