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I remember some exchange students from Germany when I was in High School. This was during the Reagan era, and they talked about him and how they hated him all the time. Not sure if you remember sentiment then, but I'm curious if GWB is reviled as much as Ronald Reagan was.

If so, I think that is a good sign that he is doing things right.

Yeh, Reagan was hated as much or more. Thank God Europeans and Canadians can't vote in OUR election. As far as that goes, who gives a shit about people who can't vote in an election? Just more Bush bashing. Europeans love the Bostan Brahmin.

Any chance we can box Kerry up and mail him to Europe? COD of course.

Far as Bush-hatred goes, I was in Paris recently, at the Louvre. I asked for the location of the Louvre's sole Bosch painting ("Ship of Fools") and the guide went "Boosh?" and made sneering, spitting noises. No, I said. BOSCH. He then became helpful. (I would like to note the Parisians I encountered were uniformly polite, sometimes friendly, never downright rude.)

Still, the European hatred of Bush is reason enough to vote for him. It's hard to imagine a candidate more spineless and contemptible than John F. Kerry.

I am really hoping the US wins the World Cup.

Why?

OK, I am a soccer fan, but I figure it will set off a wave of mass suicides in Europe. The only problem is that soccer is not as popular in France as other countries.

I was flabberghasted by this paragraph towards the end:

George W. Bush, so kolportieren europäische Diplomaten, habe bei seiner ersten Begegnung mit Kommissionspräsident Romano Prodi erzählt, dass Jesus ihm die Präsidentschaft versprochen habe, wenn er dem Alkohol abschwöre.

As my German is almost nonexistent, Google tells me that Bush said something like this to Prodi, "Jesus told me that if I'd give up alcohol, he'd make me president."

If I were European, I'd hate Bush too after reading lies like that.

"Europe to USA: Well, you really screwed up the Iraq situation despite our good advice . . ."

Um, well let's see . . . one of the most brutal dictators in the world has been deposed, and his former subjects are now discussing how best to govern themselves. Meanwhile, seeing what happened to Saddam, Libya has volunteered to give up its nuclear weapons program, Iranian pro-democracy forces have been emboldened, and Syria is kicking off peace talks with Israel.

Wow -- if that's screwing up, let's please have more of it! Evidently, Europe would be happier with Saddam still in power, his WMD capabilities unknown, and Libya secretly sitting on a nuke.

Given the deep-seeded government corruption which is endemic in most European countries and the politically unaccountable atrocity known as the EU, I would say Europeans should worry more about their own governments and a little less about ours.

Some say opposites attract, but in politics, like attracts like. We can point to no better explanation for the shared values of today's politically oriented communities than the work of Cowan and Beck in Spiral Dynamics, see http://www.spiraldynamics.com.
Of course Europeans have an affinity for Kerry; they find themselves in the 'layer of Green' along the Spiral Dynamics spectrum, which is the pluralistic, multi-cultural, environmentally conscious band of human growth. Yet to be seen is whether that will give him an advantage in the upcoming election. I am one who believes and hopes otherwise.

Spanish Prime Minister Jose Marie Aznar is astute to European Orthodox Politics.

"The prime minister said he had kidded Bush about his image in Europe, telling him he outdid former President Reagan in unpopularity. Bush replied, "That's not going to change me or my policy.""
From the AP.

Dennis Miller was accurate in describing the German opposition to war. "Look, the Germans were against the war because it was on a grand enough scale.".

To my mind, the most telling comment in the article was that Europeans "react thankfully to a US President who appreciates their culture and approaches the European system of values with respect."

Is the article implying that Europeans treat American culture and values with respect? Some, like David, do, but in my experience they belong to a small minority.

I haven't read the article, but the sentiment that Kerry has a lot of support here in Germany certainly rings true to me. Last week, twice in one day, two colleagues told me (seperately) that Bush was severly hurting America's relations with the rest of the world and that Kerry would make a great President (or words to that effect). I was looked at as being a little stupid or naive for saying that I didn't think Bush was so bad. Also, I got total looks of disbelief when I said Iraq was a good place to start in response to the inevitable question "What about the other horrible dictators in the world?? "

The Financial Times of Germany has missed an excelent opportunity to keep it's mouth shut.

Germany is turning conservative with the CDU gaining and Schroeder losing popularity. But, the FT in Germany thinks all would be better if the US elected the most liberal Senator we have.

It would be incredibly ironic if the family of the wounded Vietnamese man Kerry chased down and killed to earn his Silver Star brought charges against him for a war crime.

Would the Euro-lefties still love him?

You'd think the germans would favor this war because it wasn't THEIR asses getting handed to them for a change.

I think the division is not geographical but sub-cultural. People who ego identify with European High ( anti-bourgeois) subculture whether on the political right or left, whether in Europe or America, hate Bush. His success threatens their self perception of their dominance within the social order.

Bush comes from money but culturally he is completely bourgeois. He affects none of the mannerism of the intellectual or the aristocrat. He does not even pay them lip service. He drives a pickup truck, goes to church holds barbecues and watches football. Take away his money and position and drop him in any bourgeois community and he would fit right in. These are not politically engineered affectations. He did those things before he went into to politics. They reflect the man as he is.

Kerry by contrast is a member of the anti-bourgeois elite, whether they reside in America or Europe. From his home, his entertainments, where he vacations etc. nothing he does is culturally bourgeois.

Europe is far more dominated by a cultural and political elite than America. It is that elite who shapes both European's perception of American and they are the face that America sees when it looks to Europe. It should therefor come as no surprise that "Europe" hates Bush but loves Kerry and that majority of Americans don't give a damn that they do.

The viewpoint of this American of Europeans is that they have no backbone. You will bend over backwards and allow anyone to do anything that they wish. The only redeeming quality in all of Europe seems to be Tony Blair. And the fact that he is where is he, shows that Europeans have hope. America is the most powerful county in the history of the world that have abused that power the least. We make mistakes, but all in all, we stand up for what is right, and Europeans just bow down at the altar of spinelessness.

>> I would say Europeans should worry more about their own governments and a little less about ours. <<

That's every EU beaurocrats worst nightmare. Didn't Schroeder win reelection by focusing heavily on what the US was doing?

" It would be incredibly ironic if the family of the wounded Vietnamese man Kerry chased down and killed to earn his Silver Star brought charges against him for a war crime.

Would the Euro-lefties still love him? "

They didn't give a damn about Saddam, and he killed probably a million people. Why would they care if Kerry only killed one?

--Also, I got total looks of disbelief when I said Iraq was a good place to start in response to the inevitable question "What about the other horrible dictators in the world?? "--

That's why he needs a 2nd term.

Btw: Kerry has now officially become 'JFK' in Spiegel's headlines... :-)

Btw: Kerry has now officially become 'JFK' in Spiegel's headlines... :-)

From the FTD article: "A renewed decision on the part of the Americans for this president would strengthen the growing camp of those who see the largest possible autonomy from the USA as the best answer to Europe’s problems."

What a novel idea! Sounds positively spectacular to me. But it is just a pipe dream, as the EU will always come calling on the US for their security and the US, sad to say, will always answer.

I guess this is understandable. Kerry is haughty and French-looking, and looks down on the peasants from his $6--no, make that $12 million--mansion. He's a perfect example of the European ruling class that my ancestors moved here to get away from.

So the Germans love Kerry (and loved Clinton). Would you expect anything different from a country that has twice elected Gerhard Schroeder?

The Germans still have a bad habit of trying to speak for Europe, don't they?

Yes I live in Germany and have yet to find any German who likes George Bush. Most seem to like Kerry because he isn't seen as "unilateral" and Germans feel he would immeditely get US troops out of "the crazy war" in Iraq. I am a Bush fan and have tried to argue the "other" side but to no avail. The Germans have their minds made up. They want a man in the White House that Europe can push around. I suspect with their history of pushing the French around they must figure they can push around a haughty, French-looking president. I don't think Kerry is haughty looking at all...I think he looks like the guy in the Scream movies. If he were ever elected I think we would all be looking like the guy from Scream.

>They want a man in the White House that Europe can push around. I suspect with their history of pushing the French around they must figure they can push around a haughty, French-looking president.

Quote of the day!

Seems to me the Europeans hated Reagan too. Yet he was right about everything and the Europeans were wrong. He was too much of a "cowboy" too. He was too stupid and unsophisticated as well.

Besides, the big reason the Europeans love Clinton and Kerry is because they both are left of center, as is most of Europe. They dislike right of center presidents, regardless of their personalities. The funny thing is that Clinton really just told the Europeans what they wanted to hear but never followed through on it.

Like Kyoto... Clinton disingenuously signed it (despite having a nearly unanimous Senate -- which must ratify treaties -- vote to tell Clinton that Kyoto was dead and wouldn't pass the Senate). He knew he could make Europe happy by signing something that didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being ratified by the Senate. Get that? Then Bush comes in and states the obvious (that it couldn't pass the Senate even if he had wanted it to) and pulls the US out of a treaty that Clinton shouldn't ever have signed in the first place (because it wouldn't/couldn't have passed). And it's Bush who is the bad guy.

One thing that Clinton did do was free the Kosovars. He did it unilaterally. He did it without UN approval or action. He did it after watching you guys in Europe sit out another genocide. He did it without NATO, essentially. And you thank him for it. Bush bends over backwards to get you guys on board by going to the UN, getting a resolution passed demanding immediate and complete cooperation (which is not forthcoming) or face the consequences. Europes response? "Give it more time."

Just two examples of words and documents being more important in Europe than concrete actions. And that is why you liked Clinton and dislike Bush.

Now I will definitely vote for Bush.

"Just two examples of words and documents being more important in Europe than concrete actions. And that is why you liked Clinton and dislike Bush."

Yep. Americans see a problem and take action. Europeans see a problem and refer it to the EU Subcommittee on Talking About Stuff. When Americans actually DO something, we're cowboys. When we go along with the Europeans and just talk, talk, talk, we're "sophisticated" and "nuanced." To hell with that. Sitting on our hands and acting like the EU-niks is what brought us 9/11.

Europeans should go to bed every night thanking God that the Americans provide the umbrella of military protection that allows the Euros the luxury of advocating endless blather as the key to solving any problem.

Of course the joke of all this is that the current President iis the son of a prior President, the Grandson of a Republican Senator the great drand nephew of another one, a graduate of Groton, Yale and Harvard, a decenndant of Yankee Aristocrats traced back to at least the mid 17th century, whsoe family home is the Bush -Holey museum in Stamford Connecticut, etc. In other words, excusing his manner, he is about as "U" as can be - far more so than most of the Zeropeans who criticize hime.

But then again, I would never doubt that the Europeans ignorance of fact is only matched by their obliviousness to their own ignorance.

But then again, why let opinions be based on facts?

One of the things that shows how clueless the European is how they ignore that Kerry is campigning as a protectionist. Do they realize what it will do to their economies if the US shuts down foreign imports? Or do they think that Kerry is just lying as usual?

Jeff - that's the wrong attitude to have. Just as there are American's who hate German's and French, there are German's and French who hate America. And and the other side, there are parties on both sides that like each other. Each side has things going for it and against it. Unilaterally saying "F*** then" does not help the discourse at all, it just hinders it.

I live in Germany for a reason. I like a lot of aspects of the country. On the other hand, there are other things - like the current political discussion that I don't like so much. But you take the good with the bad. They view us Americans the same. I like my colleagues a lot and don't think anything less of them because they are against Bush. The same of goes for how they think of me.

Hmmm...lets see. They hate Bush yet loved Hitler. Think we can depend on their judgement? Rampant anti-semitism, sluggish economy, 11% unemployment...I think maybe the German people should worry about their own gov't and it's actions, not whether the American President respects their culture or kowtows to the UN.

Hay,

Now you got me thinking that the son of Kerry and Screaming Howard Dean will look like the Picasso painting "The Scream". Let us pray reproductive technology never goes that far.

-- and Germans feel he would immeditely get US troops out of "the crazy war" in Iraq.--

Why should they care if we spend our money in Iraq? BTW, hasn't Kerry already said we're staying?

Or do they hope they can move in for big contracts after we've done the heavy work?

@ Anna:

I admit that Jeff was a little over the top. However, have you read Der Spiegel forums. Jeff is Emily Post compared to some of the bile that I have read from some Germans in der Spiegel.

"Europe would vote Kerry"

- I'm sure Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, the Taliban and Al Queda would vote for Kerry too.

"Europe to USA: Well, you really screwed up the Iraq situation despite our good advice . . ."

- I wonder, now that the Iraqi people are free, and are making progress towards democracy, who would they want to see win in the 2004 U.S. elections -- George W. Bush or John Kerry, who voted against the 87 Billion dollar aid package for Iraq and the U.S. troops?

Maybe someone can commission a poll to determine Iraqi sentiments. Who would they prefer, Bush or a Democrat, to win the White House? Who do they trust more, a Republican or a Democrat adminstration, to help them rebuild their own country?

This is the first article I've read in a year about John Kerry that didn't mention that he's a Vietnam War Hero...

Klaus? Jens? Are you still there? David & Ray have moved into a new league, and now we move from our cozy discussion group into the rugged and wooly world of Internet Democracy. Brace yourselves. But I hope that you won't let that stop you from continuing our dialogue. Think of reading the comments as reading a musical score: just follow the instruments and themes that interest you and build on where we've been. Hey, it's an election year. You can report to your fellow Germans that Democracy is alive and well in the U.S. (GO KERRY!!!)

[-- from an intellectual elitist east-coast europhile. A new idea for a Verein: IEEE. Members from the west coast and "flyover America" welcome. Hell, we'll even take third coasters from Texas and fourth coasters from Germany.]

Spass beiseite, I really do hope that Kerry will come out with a strong statement about the war on terror now that he has done away with his Democratic competition. Andrew Sullivan mentioned this yesterday. It may cost him the European vote, heh heh, but the middle-of-the-road types are watching. I see big potential in the middle for Kerry given Bush's poor libertarian record. But Democrats must acknowledge their weak reputation on defense, one that may not be fair in all cases but that needs to be addressed. Time to move back towards FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ on the foreign policy front --with lessons learned since Vietnam. We're stuck with our role in the world and might as well learn that a strong military is essential to projecting our power and protecting our interests and the interests of other democracies. They don't like to admit it, but many European countries count on us to do the dirty work. I've lost track of how many anti-war Germans during the first Iraq war later complained that we had not gotten rid of Saddam. Hypocrisy.

Re Regan. I was in France during Reagan's presidency. He was widely detested among the students with whom I hung out and also by the press. I was already a Democrat back then, but I lost a couple of friends because I defended or tried to explain U.S. Cold War policies. Shocking!

The crushing of the Solidarity movement and imposition of martial law in Poland was a big eye-opener for my generation and left many leftists confused and embarrassed. I'm so glad I had a chance to see Hungary and East Berlin before the wall came down. Once you've been followed by undercover agents simply for being a foreign tourist who happened to be a bit off the beaten path, or been in a cafe and had people who smiled at you and wanted to talk to you but who were too afraid to be seen sitting at your table, you start to get the big picture. I'll never forget the resigned hopelessness in that man's face when he shrugged and politely declined to join us in the cafe in East Berlin. Freedom is one of those things you don't really appreciate until you see "non-freedom".

"undercover agents" is a bit extreme. Try plainclothesmen. Jeez KB you're getting a bit melodramatic in your old age.

@ Julie B. You wrote this posting:
I was flabberghasted by this paragraph towards the end:
George W. Bush, so kolportieren europäische Diplomaten, habe bei seiner ersten Begegnung mit Kommissionspräsident Romano Prodi erzählt, dass Jesus ihm die Präsidentschaft versprochen habe, wenn er dem Alkohol abschwöre.

As my German is almost nonexistent, Google tells me that Bush said something like this to Prodi, "Jesus told me that if I'd give up alcohol, he'd make me president."

If I were European, I'd hate Bush too after reading lies like that.

Posted by: Julie B. at März 3, 2004 05:45 nachm


I think Julie B. is very right. I found Prodi's remark strange. Did Bush really say this? Julie thinks it is a lie. It is only a little piece of a gigantic building of lies about Bush and his administration (Lügengebäude).

What does it help to hit back? The Germans are this or that and so on. This won't solve the problem: We all live in the same world unter the leadership of the USA. We all will suffer when the democratic world will loose this fight/war against terrorism. Many in Germany/Europe did not understand this, many in the USA share this view. I am deeply disappointed and frightened about our German media which create this attitude or opinion in Germany/Europe: The USA is our enemy. I feel threatened by this silliness because the real threat is the terror and his declaration of war against the USA and the West. When we are divided, we are weaker. We should use this forum to understand each other better. The Germans can read what the Americans know. For example: Did Bush say this sentence to Prodi?
When he did, I would think it is strange because I am not religious. But when he did not: Who lied - Prodi or the journalist? Here we could work together to find the truth.
Perhaps some Germans will learn here how many lies DER SPIEGEL wrote already and perhaps understand better.
Everybody is busy with his job and family. How much time to you have to inform yourself? So everybody reads headlines and a little bit more and feels informed. But the reality is different. Only very few read more than the average. But when almost every newspaper, every journalist tells you, Bush is an idiot, a liar, there is no threat to the world, then you believe it. And you believe it even more when half of the USA has the same view.
So, David does a good job showing the media bias. It helped me a lot not to be alone with my views. As my husband already wrote somewhere else, friends ignored us during the Iraqi war, nobody called us, all because of politics. We saw a real deep hatred, no discussions were possible. Why is it so emotional??? I think it has to do with the media here. They all started a real Bush-war. I don't understand exactly why but I know that the influenced/manipulated the people. They make
opinions. People read it and follow. It is so simple. They don't know more, no facts, no background. There is no time to inform yourself more. So let us continue here with David to find out FACTS, LIES but please, it does not help to give Germans bad names. We should concentrate on the media. That is a way out. That is what we want. That is what I want. I want a strong president in the USA who is accepted in Europe who goes on with the honest and open way to stop dictators and terrorists and the proliferation of WMD. It is only a matter of time when terrorists can have fun with threatening us with biological or chemical weapons. This is already bad enough. I don't need the threat by nuclear weapons.
If you Americans react angry and hateful, then we start a circle of hatred between us. We should stay together, "divided we fall"

http://www.zeit.de/2004/11/BBC

Zurück zur Tugend

Jürgen Krönig von der ZEIT bringt es auf den Punkt. Das ist der Zustand der Medien in UK und auch Deutschland. Andere Länder kann ich nicht beurteilen.

Zitatanfang:
Nach den Medienschlachten um den Irak-Krieg droht der BBC das Ende ihrer Unabhängigkeit

Von Jürgen Krönig

London


(...)
„Wir sind die mächtige BBC, uns kann keiner“, wird neuen Mitarbeitern auch heute noch intern auf den Berufsweg mitgegeben. Kommerziell geprägte journalistische Reflexe begannen unter der Ägide des zurückgetretenen Generaldirektors Greg Dyke die Informationssendungen der BBC zu prägen. Oft wurde Kampagnenjournalismus statt sachlicher Information geboten. Der Trend verband sich mit einer medialen „Kultur der Verachtung“ für Politiker und Institutionen, die weithin den britischen Journalismus prägt. Was da und dort besorgt registriert wird. Etwa von Martin Kettle, Leitartikler des liberalen Guardian, der einen „destruktiven Zynismus“ ausmacht. Die Attitüde grenze an „journalistischen Faschismus“, weil alle gewählten Politiker verachtenswert, alle Richter dubios und nur Journalisten fähig seien, die Wahrheit zu sagen. Auch wenn ihre Wahrheit oft nicht mehr sei „als ein Vorurteil, das nicht gestützt wird durch Fakten“.
(...)
Zitatende


Ich beobachte immer wieder, daß die Menschen sich nur noch verachtungsvoll über Politiker äußern und angeblich auch Vorbehalte gegenüber Medien haben, sich dann aber trotzdem voll dem anschließen, was sie in den Medien lesen. Typisch diese Bundespräsidenten-Debatte. Die Journalisten hetzen von Politiker zu Politiker, machen Sendung über Sendung, Interview über Interview, Tag und Nacht wird nachgefragt, spekuliert, anylysiert. Und dann regen sich dieselben Journalisten auf, daß die Politiker dieses Debakel veranstalten. Haben die Journalisten es nicht verursacht? Hätten Sie nicht ständig interviewt und gesendet, hätte es diese öffentliche Debatte gar nicht gegeben. Sie haben doch jede Einzelmeinung in die Öffentlichkeit gezerrt. Sie waren es doch, die diese Debatte in all ihren Einzelheiten in den Medien breitgewalzt haben. Kein Politiker hat sich aus eigenen Stücken an die Medien gewandt und um Gehör gebeten. Aus einem normalen Entscheidungsprozeß wurde ein von den Medien verursachtes Debakel, deren Ursache man den Politikern zuschub.

Auch aus der Zeit.

Helmut Schmidt im Gespräch mit jungen chinesischen Intellektuellen – über Kultur und Markt, Demokratie und Nationalismus

(...)

Helmut Schmidt: Ich bin kein Anwalt der Amerikaner und auch nicht von George Bush. Aber wir können die Weltlage heute nur verstehen, wenn wir die Psychose des amerikanischen Volkes nach dem 11. September verstehen. Es handelte sich um eine echte Massenpsychose, welche die Bush-Regierung ausbeutet. Die amerikanische Nation mag vorerst an ihrem Überlegenheitsgefühl oder Hegemoniebestreben, wie immer man es nennt, festhalten – aber nicht auf Dauer. Spätestens in 20 Jahren wird es abklingen. Bis zur Mitte des Jahrhunderts wird es sogar gänzlich verschwunden sein, da zu diesem Zeitpunkt nur noch eine Minderheit der amerikanischen Wählerschaft europäischer Abstammung sein wird. Die Mehrheit wird dann hispanischer und afro-amerikanischer Abstammung sein – eine Mehrheit, die den unteren Schichten der Gesellschaft entspringt und nach besseren Schulen, Krankenhäusern und Altersrenten verlangen wird, nicht aber nach weiteren Kriegen im Mittleren Osten. Damit will ich gar nicht leugnen, dass die gegenwärtige imperialistische Einstellung der USA Gefahren birgt.

(...)

http://www.zeit.de/2004/11/Chin_Intellektuelle


Echte Massenpsychose!!! Das sagt Helmut Schmidt (SPD) Und Bush beutet das aus.

Wenn auch Schmidt das sagt, muß es doch richtig sein, oder?

You say:

Just to clarify our position beyond any doubt, American cowboys: We never, ever would have accepted your modest help liberating France twice, crushing first the Kaiser and then Hitler, rebuilding Germany, securing Berlin’s freedom, removing Milosevic, etc., etc., - had we known of your tendency to vote unsophisticated, backwoods hick Presidents into office!

I say>>

And you talk about those of us in the US as being ignorant of history???? As someone who almost never came into existence because my grandfather was almost killed on Normandy on DDay on Utah beach, I take great exception to your characterization of our "modest" help liberating France. I guess you must be referring to the Soviets' contribution being as great as the American? Fair enough, but not in liberating France. Besides, would you have wanted France to be "liberated" by the Soviets??? Or would you rather have had the 3rd Reich around still?

As for who we have elected in the past century, I'd be careful making statements about which country has voted for and elected leaders of which you could be proud. Seems we have a much better track record than the Continent.....

And thank you very much, I'd much rather have a plain spoken, to the point "backwoods hick" (as you call him) than some sophisticated and nuanced weasel like those that seem to pop to the top in Europe.

excellent post fast freddy. The Germans also have us to thank (and Ronald Reagan specifically!) for East Germany.

Ummm, Freddy (and Chris)--I suspect that was intended to be ironic.

Gabi -- no, Bush never did say the line about giving up drinking because Jesus promised him the presidency. Whether its Prodi's lie or the reporter's, I don't know, but a lie it is.

Bush-haters are very fond of making up such crap. Not long ago, a local columnist here quoted another overseas report which claimed that Bush had told the Palestinian PM that he (Bush) had gone into Iraq and Afghanistan on the direct orders of Jesus. Ridiculous.

@ Anomyinuse Detusche/Anomynous German

"Echte Massenpsychose!!! Das sagt Helmut Schmidt (SPD) Und Bush beutet das aus.

Wenn auch Schmidt das sagt, muß es doch richtig sein, oder?"

Nicht unbedingt. Schmidt hat das in einem Forum in China vor sogenannte "junge Interlektuellen" gesagt. Ein Chinese, der vor Schmidt gesprochen hat, hat ueber US Inmperializmus geredet. Schmidt hat eine Gelegenheit genommen, um die Chinese zu sicheren, dass sie nicht alleine denken. Helmut kriecht die Chinese die Arschen! Wie die amorale deutche Geschaeftsmaenner die Iran Kernkraft Technologie verkaufen, will Helmut ein Handelsplatz in China versicheren. Um Busch und der USA zu degradieren....das sind die Umkosten um Geschaeft zu machen.

Schmidt war einmal ein enge Freund George Schulz, George H.W. Bushs Aussenminister. Die beiden haben oft Golf am Pebble Beach zusammen gespielt. Ich hoffe dass Schulz Schmidts Golfklub membership weggenommen hat.

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